Posted on Jan 3, 2019
Can I be flagged for failing a height/weight for diagnostic PT test?
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As Height/Weight and APFT are two separate programs, yes you can be flagged for failing a ht/wt even though you passed an apft. Just like you could fail an apft but pass ht/wt and you will be flagged for apft failure.
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You are right, but I think its also important to note that a Height & Weight check is a part of the APFT.
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SFC Ralph E Kelley
CW3 (Join to see) - My height and weight all though my 20 years in the Army was 6' and 230 lbs. I never passed ht/wth and always was taped which was iffy sometimes.
In Panama I did an immersion test that showed me at 17% body fat. Tape test was showing me at 23% but BF% for my age then was 22%.
Two years later I was older and my new BF% changed to 24%. Still 6' tall and still 230 lbs.
I had a good 1SG and CO that took care of me. I strove to do the same for them.
In Panama I did an immersion test that showed me at 17% body fat. Tape test was showing me at 23% but BF% for my age then was 22%.
Two years later I was older and my new BF% changed to 24%. Still 6' tall and still 230 lbs.
I had a good 1SG and CO that took care of me. I strove to do the same for them.
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I agree our height and weight standards are completely out of whack. Just stating the fact height & weight standards--although separate from the fitness test so can be done separately--is still part of the standard overall APFT.
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Technically, failing the height/weight is immaterial. The height/weight table is used to screen for people who need to have a more definitive assessment done, and that is the tape test. Only after failing the tape test (which measures body fat content) can somebody be flagged.
AR 600-9 doesn't explicitly forbid a Commander from combining a diagnostic APFT and a body fat screening. It actually suggests (but does not dictate) that they uncouple the two. So, yes they can flag you after a diagnostic APFT.
AR 600-9 doesn't explicitly forbid a Commander from combining a diagnostic APFT and a body fat screening. It actually suggests (but does not dictate) that they uncouple the two. So, yes they can flag you after a diagnostic APFT.
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Yes - anytime. HT/WT has nothing to do with your with APFT Score. A Commander can have you weigh-in anytime...just as he/she can make you take a PT Test, anytime. Failure of a HT/WT will result in a FLAG almost always. You got lucky that your current Commander didn't process the paperwork.
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YES!
You "will" and "should" be flagged for failing height/weight for diagnostic APFT. It is the Soldier's responsibility to meet "Body Fat Standards" ... Having a job in the United States Armed Forces requires active duty / reservists to meet certain standards of fitness and health, see Army Regulation 600-9. You always need to keep in mind that failing height / weight and body fat standards have a cost. "Army personnel who are overweight, or worse obese, including Soldiers who become pregnant while on the weight control program are not promotable to the next higher rank, will not be assigned to command leadership positions, and are not allowed to attend professional military training schools". Not meeting the standard will cost you career enhancing opportunities that may only be offered on occasion. Having said all that, start something!!!
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You "will" and "should" be flagged for failing height/weight for diagnostic APFT. It is the Soldier's responsibility to meet "Body Fat Standards" ... Having a job in the United States Armed Forces requires active duty / reservists to meet certain standards of fitness and health, see Army Regulation 600-9. You always need to keep in mind that failing height / weight and body fat standards have a cost. "Army personnel who are overweight, or worse obese, including Soldiers who become pregnant while on the weight control program are not promotable to the next higher rank, will not be assigned to command leadership positions, and are not allowed to attend professional military training schools". Not meeting the standard will cost you career enhancing opportunities that may only be offered on occasion. Having said all that, start something!!!
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It depends on wether the unit actually enforces army standards. Probably not.
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Any APFT can be used for record therefore a "diagnostic" APFT does not exist. If your command thinks you're looking hefty, they can administer a HT/ WT. The only way you fail is by failing to meet tape, which comes after you dont meet the weight for your height.
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Thank yall all very much for your feedback and answers. I have read the regs and I now walk away with a bit more knowledge. In the end I wasn't flagged (luckily) so now I know where I stand and where I should be weight wise.
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For a single failure on a diagnostic? No, you *shouldn't* be. But I would be remiss if I did not stress that it is the responsibility of every Soldier to ensure they can pass an APFT (to include the associated height/weight with it) at any time.
Edited: I believe the new rules under "fit to fight" say you can be flagged the first time for height & weight, but someone else can correct me if I am wrong.
Edited: I believe the new rules under "fit to fight" say you can be flagged the first time for height & weight, but someone else can correct me if I am wrong.
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Sorry missed that, but my comment is the same. Height & Weight is apart of an APFT.
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Height & weight is part of every APFT (record or diag). The GO/NO-GO for it is still annotated on the DA 705 just the same. Not to say you couldn't take a test without it for diagnostic purposes if you wanted, but a full APFT does include the H&W.
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Great question, go to AR 600-9 and look at it for reference. Also, ask your NCO and see what the standard is for your unit.
2–1. General
Soldiers must maintain a high level of physical readiness in order to meet mission requirements. Body composition is one indicator of physical readiness that is associated with an individual’s fitness, endurance, and overall health.
Individuals with desirable body fat percentages generally exhibit increased muscular strength and endurance, are less likely to sustain injury from weight bearing activity, and are more likely to perform at an optimal level. Soldiers will meet Army body composition standards, as prescribed in this regulation, for the individual and collective benefit to themselves, their unit, and the entire Army.
2–1. General
Soldiers must maintain a high level of physical readiness in order to meet mission requirements. Body composition is one indicator of physical readiness that is associated with an individual’s fitness, endurance, and overall health.
Individuals with desirable body fat percentages generally exhibit increased muscular strength and endurance, are less likely to sustain injury from weight bearing activity, and are more likely to perform at an optimal level. Soldiers will meet Army body composition standards, as prescribed in this regulation, for the individual and collective benefit to themselves, their unit, and the entire Army.
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