Can I be forced to shave if I have a shaving profile?

Forced? In my day that meant the platoon was punished until they made sure you shaved.

They are absolutely wrong, I received the same profile you have when I was in basic. I also had the same profile in AIT. As for his comment and trying to write you up, I'd report him for his racist comment. They were probably showing you how to shave with those cheap ass ravors, it's common knowledge that those are terrible for black men. They cause ingrown hairs which are very painful, I could barely even sleep my face and neck was so bad.

PVT Tyquavious,

The above information that you put out, whom-ever this Squad Leader is first of all is a total idiot and should be relieved of his peon position. Secondly, he's Racist, yes he's Racist! for him to come out of the side of his "ass" and confront you with that statement is totally over the top. Always remember, do not let anyone make you fell like a penny waiting for change. For they are no better than you are and your blood is the same color as there's.

Your a man just like that sour-puss is, however, the difference is your more professional and stronger than he is. In closing, if I were you I would report this incident to your Chain of Command along with the representative that handles "recist complaints".

if you have a profile, your covered! Do Not, I repeat Do Not violate your profile, nor, damage your integrity any longer. I don't know you personally, but I can say that you are a beautiful black man that should always walk with dignity. Always remember your worth! All the best to you.....

Pv2 Jones I'm going to tell you that when I was in there were a lot of black guys in my unit that had shaving profiles. If you have a permanent shaving profile from a doctor they cannot make you shave with a razor. Yes you are going to catch some harassment but as long as you keep it within the regulations there's nothing that you're squad leader or platoon Sergeant can do about it. I know this because I was put on permanent profile for having two fractured tibias. I caught a lot of s*** from the guys in my unit but that's just something that you have to deal with is the harassment. If your squad leader is threatening you with an article 15 and your platoon starting said to do as your squad leader says then apparently the two of them are in cahoots and you need to take it up to the next level in your chain of command. I had a first line supervisor that used to threaten me with article 15s all the time also. I ended up having to be put in another company because we ended up coming to blows over his constantly harassing me for no reason. I'm pretty sure your company commander and your first sergeant have an open door policy. It sounds to me like your squad leader is a racist. You don't have to take that just because you are a lower rank. Hang in there soldier and as long as you are doing your job and doing what you're told to do then they have nothing to say. Maybe you could try using a 16th inch guard on your clippers to keep it even shorter. Then it would just look like a 5:00 shadow instead of a beard. Good luck to you soldier. I hope it all works out for the best.

So let me understand this correctly, to be clear this happened in 2021 on an Active Duty Army Base? I ask because of the comment that your NCO allegedly mumbled under his breath. Now I wasn't there, I retired many moons ago but I have to get this out in the open with everyone slinging the EO complaint and that's racist comments. Number one, there is absolutely no place in the military for that type of behavior, that's pretty much a guaranteed permanent one way ticket home, it was that way when I enlisted back in 2000, so you see the huge date gap we are talking about here; don't you? As an NCO he knows by heart what that behavior does to any career joe, not to mention you train on it a few times a year, death by power point. On the flip side you must know what those allegations do to a career Joe, it stops it dead in the tracks, and one doesn't even have to prove it, just say it happened, that's all she wrote. With that said, you are literally telling everyone one reading this that a career NCO mumbled that comment after getting on to you for not shaving? In the Active Army in June of 2021? PVT, based off everything else you said, the way you explain this and a few key words you managed to use, I have to tell you, something smells funny, it's a few somethings in your post from start to finish that tells me you are not being 100 percent truthful, any Army Behavioral Specialist that reads this will all say what I'm saying, if that's the case you need to fix yourself and double time doing it. If by chance this is the truth, all of it, than you also need to fix it, either by chatting with that NCO by way of PLT SGT or take and file an EO complaint. The Military has no room for it, never has, but the same is true on the flip side. However just to be clear, an NCO in 2021 mumbled a racist comment under his breath? And in that same breath told you to underscore a live profile and do what he says regardless and no matter what? And none of your other chain of command is batting an eye at this? Something is amiss and not making any type of military sense.

I remember I tried getting a shaving profile a few years ago. The PA was a 1LT and told me “I don’t know why you people think you can just come and get shaving profiles like nothing.” And then quickly followed up with you e-5s just don’t want to shave. I just walked away smh Go see your EOLC. Some of us have course hair and shaving destroys our face regardless of whatever technique you use. The fact that this stigma is attached to people who get shaving profiles is a damn shame.

You are protected per 670-1 1-8 2(c). Go over his head respectfully. I’ve written so many of those profiles and it’s necessary to prevent cellulitis, infections and scarring. Only your commander can override a medical profile and they typically won’t without talking to the doc who wrote it. I now work in dermatology as a civilian because of what I learned in the Army and I know how important those profiles are. It won’t make you non deployable per AR 40-501 so don’t stress it. He’s lucky I’m not there to interact with his racist ass. I would love a confrontation with him because I’d tell him to eat a bag.

Lu

You’re protected per AR 670-1 1-8 2(c). I work in dermatology now as a civilian after what I learned in the Army and I’ve written many of these profiles because we don’t you to have an infection or scarring. It doesn’t inhibit you from performing your duties per AR 40-501. It’s not your fault, don’t settle for that abuse, go over his head respectfully. You can also ask for help from the Doc who wrote that profile for you. Only your commander can over-ride a medical recommendation or disqualification. He’s lucky I’m not there, that shit wouldn’t fly for a second.

As an Senior NCOIC and an Acting Commander as an E-6, I fought for all Soldiers rights under the regulations, which are supported by the UCMJ, regardless of rank. I also took those aside and inquired from them the facts around being in violation of regulations that govern all Soldiers. If the violation was blatant, i.e. hair on the collar (even women), uniform not worn correctly, etc. then I informed them of the regulation they were not in compliance of and asked them to correct it within the next 5-30 minutes, taking in regard the circumstances and where we were located at the time. If you find someone that requires a reminder, ensure you are tight and without offense yourself. Then politely, and off to the side our of sound range of others, inquire and then correctly inform if needed. Don't assume someone is just wrong. They may not be aware of their appearance or unaware of the regulation specifics, as some regulations are vague. Regulations also have other regulations for specific situations that must be inclusive of the determination of violation. Ensure you do all of your research.
No, you cannot be made to shave if you have a profile as long as you stay within the regulation of the tight look of a beard. For them to act indignantly toward you is also punishable per regulations that govern EEOR. You have every right to speak to an EEOR Advisor and report the conduct toward you in violation of a medical profile by your Squad Leader and Platoon Sergeant. As for the screaming match and language, that's petty and shouldn't be responded to in like manner. Hold your integrity of what you feel, in your primal gut, what is respectful treatment of yourself and offer that to all in every experience. Hurt people hurt others and most hurt people disrespect others from a disrespectful "place" of perception of their life based from a fearful place of low self-esteem and lack of validation under conditional requirements. Keep calm, say what is needed with respect, and then act per your rights under the regulations and UCMJ. If you don't know the regulations, then I highly suggest you make yourself aware of them, especially those which are applicable to your situations in the Army. Ignorance of them is not a defense, nor is it another's requirement to tell you what the regulations governing your situation are. That is your responsibility to be accountable for your own life and understand and admit to your part in participating in all your experiences. Your Sergeants were wrong. That doesn't mean you need to be in reaction. Learn to respond from an informed position, not react. When you learn the regulations and then quote them with the regulation, chapter, page, and paragraph, then there isn't anything anyone can say or do against them. If you wish to be a Sergeant one day, then begin acting like a respectable, well informed, mindful Sergeant now.
I wish you the best and hope that the time I took to offer guidance is heeded for your greater good and the greater good you have the opportunity to be as a representative for other Soldiers.

Both were out of line and that the proper course of action would be to request to see the 1st Sgt. At which point you should request to see an EEOC officer to make a formal complaint. If you allow these NCO's to treat you in manor will only lead to to further problems. Further by disobeying the profile order given to you can be subject punitive action for not following the instructions given by medical personnel. NO NCO can order you to violate it.