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I passed the board recently and now im being told i may have to be a CPL until i go to BLC or until i get back from ranger school. I dont want to take responsibility as a team leader and still get paid as a SPC. Can i deny a 4187 ?
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Based on your speech about wanting the money I can tell what kind of an NCO you will be. I feel sorry for the soldiers who will be under your leadership. Just remember this there are two types of NCOs. Sergeants who have the rank and get the money. Non Commisioned Officers who teach the soldiers and work with them to perfect their training. you choose who you want to be. NCOs are long remembered Sergeants are not. so if you just want the money then you will be a Sergeant.
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You can, but you will be telling your chain of command "I am only in this for myself".
It is not a good image to have, especially within the regiment.
Instead you shoudl, happily, accept the promotion, and use it as an opportunity to learn how to be a better sergeant.
It is not a good image to have, especially within the regiment.
Instead you shoudl, happily, accept the promotion, and use it as an opportunity to learn how to be a better sergeant.
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Go ahead, refuse the lateral to corporal. Then have the reputation for the rest of your time in that you won't step up. It will follow you everywhere you go. Take the frigging lateral, do the job, and take it as a compliment on your potential to become a LEADER. So what, you'd be an E4 team leader. Man, get over yourself, and stop being a whiny little bitch.
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So, you dont want to be an NCO, hmm, time for you to go home permanently. If your leaders saw potential in you and make you a corporal, then there are qualities they want to groom you for. But if your about the pay, and the pay comes with responsibilities, then your not NCO quality and recommend you not re-enlist. There are Soldiers out the that want that position and excel to be great leaders. If you do not want the corporal rank, go tell your CSM immediately.
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Declining the opportunity to build yourself up is denying the fact that there are obviously people in your CoC that are making the effort to support you and build you up, and may just be the slap in the face that gets that effort and support reconsidered.
TLDR: Unf#ck yourself.
TLDR: Unf#ck yourself.
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Good question. Because in my head, the question I'd be asking my team leader, squad leader, and/or platoon leader is "if you're ready for me to assume the NCO responsibilities, why can I not receive the pay to reflect that?"
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SSG Robert Perrotto
He will receive the pay, when he makes points. He is in a promotable status, which means he is more then eligible to assume the duties and responsibilities of the duty position, which does not require anything to assume. I have seen PFC's in team leader positions, this is not the private sector, if there is a need, then a body will fill it, and we look for the best possible body, regardless if they want it or not, or if they receive an E-4 salary. for the love of all that is holy - Army Values. Loyalty, duty, respect, selfless service, honor, integrity, personal courage - the Acronym is a play on the term "Leadership" - which is what we as leaders are supposed to embody.
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SSG Eric Blue
SSG Robert Perrotto - Not disagreeing with you at all about that. My experience with that situation is what guided my comment.
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SSG Eric Blue - sometimes its called grooming, they need to see if you are ready for even higher levels, thats why its 2 up and 1 down, they see the potential but need to know how much more you need to learn, call it the growing curve, but if you expect to get paid for taking on higher roles then prove yourself or join one of the many security firms like blackwater.
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SSG Eric Blue
MSG (Join to see) - I wish my CoC & NCO support channels would have worked it that way. Dealing with them, I'm lucky to still be alive and NOT in Leavenworth. There were some REALLY bad days for me.
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Whether you make the Army your career or leave the military and go into civilian employment my strongest recommendation to you is to never, ever refuse a promotion. You may not think you can handle the responsibility of the position, but there are others - superiors and others that think you can. Accept the challenge and just do your best. The alternative is to disappoint your leaders, and maybe never get another promotion.
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Excellent question SGT Harrison. I'm going to agree with Chief Carroll. He had an excellent response. I'm sure that BLC (Formerly WLC) is still a requirement to be promoted to SGT. You should feel honored to be promoted to CPL. As CPL is a the first stepping stone as becoming an NCO and a TL as well. It shouldn't be about the pay, it should be about becoming a great NCO and TL. I recall switching branches from Navy to Army and having to learn about the Army. Also having the opportunity to get promoted to CPL and having to attend WLC before I got promoted to SGT. I didn't care about the CPL pay, the the opportunity to mentor those within My squad or unit, because mist of the time a Soldier within Your squad or unit will come to You first for guidance.
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SFC David Reid, M.S, PHR, SHRM-CP, DTM
What is your problem with this.In the military or elsewhere you can't have your cake and eat it too.
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