Posted on Mar 16, 2021
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I passed the board recently and now im being told i may have to be a CPL until i go to BLC or until i get back from ranger school. I dont want to take responsibility as a team leader and still get paid as a SPC. Can i deny a 4187 ?
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SPC Phil Norton
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It’s CPL that classification won’t even follow you to your next duty station. It’s an honorary NCO rank take the stripes and suck it up. The lower ranking soldiers won’t listen to you anyway and lord help you when you try to mess with that spec 4 that can recite the UMCJ. Why ruin your career over this classification of rank CPL. does not outrank Spec4 that’s why there is no pa y raise.
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SFC R. Lee Linebarger
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If thatbis how you view it, from a pay point of view, finish your contract and find another line of work.

If you truly enjoy Soldiering, take the promotion, be a leader and lead. Being a leader sometimes involves sacrifice. Take it or leave it, but there it is.
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PO1 Timothy Organ
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This makes no sense. First off I see Sgt in your profile, so either there's some kind of glitch there or my army ranks memory has failed me in some way. You say you're getting meritoriously promoted to Cpl so now I'm perplexed. Second, if you have been selected in this way due to a board, which you participated in then there is a level of confidence and trust in your abilities, which is expressly detailed in your promotion warrant, then it would be foolish to even explore this possibility. You're telling all those people who put that much confidence into your abilities you don't value their assessment of you. This should have been sorted out before you went to the board. Last, this is a thing again this should have been explained to you during this process by an NCO before you went to the board. Albeit, it is part of the step to get you into the NCO ranks, it is done this way because you passed the board, you have to wait till the regular pay cycle takes effect for your promotion, otherwise it would be set up along a routine method, you'd be getting paid in kind. Your leaders want you to lead, they feel you have that ability and they are confident you'll do well by it, prove they are not wrong, and stop doubting yourself! Especially if your going to Ranger School too? Soak it in this is a chance of a lifetime!
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PO1 Timothy Organ
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This appears to have been over a year old so I can see now why it says Sgt. I stand (right now Im sitting though) corrected. I see you went ahead with it then. See? Everything works out in the end. Stay tough!
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CPL Matthew Hurtt
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This is truly a ridiculous post soldier. Can you decline? Sure, go ahead and decline. Have fun with that. Let your leaders know exactly what kind of soldier you are.

Furthermore I will say this- go read the Warriors Creed, and then the NCO Creed. If there are further questions- you may need to reconsider your life / career choices.
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PO2 Lawrence Moody
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I wasn't in the Army. I have no real worthy comment, I always kind of thought an Army Corporal was a Sgt that got busted, everyone else is a Spec 4. I can only imagine that your company may not have a billet opening, or that you do not have enough time in pay rate, but that you show leadership quality and that they want to help you develop that and prepare you for fast track to Sgt. Don't shoot your foot off despite your face.
The Navy and may give a PO3 watch boss status on individual basis's
The Marine Corps still has the rank of Corporal.
The Air Force no longer considers the pay rate of E-4 as an NCO
The do not like Warrant Officers either.
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SSG Douglas Shaffer
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You should think about this, you can be required to work one position up from you pay grade, if a few more depending on the situation as an E-5 I have worked as Bn. Staff Duty and as an E-6 as Bde. Staff Duty, Yeah, I got busted however I was still trusted to perform those positions as an E-5, and did, I have held a duty position of an E-7 as an E-6 and I didn't get paid for it! It comes with the territory of being an NCO and not a Sergeant. Sergeant writes up counselling statements and requirement for Art. 15s, NCOs burn the midnight oil retraining their personnel in the short comings even if it cuts into your time. Why because when you look left at your section or squad those are the people you are going to go with combat today! Pen pushing isn't training, and this sounds like you want to be a pen pusher and not an NCO prove me wrong.
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SGM Kenneth Hinckley
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I recommend you never think this way again, and, deny as best you can, ever asking such a question.
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SGM Kenneth Hinckley
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Darn well said!
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COL Mo Fenner
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I have always said and counseled my son to always take the harder job when the opportunity presented itself. I took 05 command as an 04 and 06 command as an 05. I made O6 so it must have worked. My son made E6 in six years and PSG as a junior E6. Any career should provide advancement. If you are not looking for advancement in the Army, maybe you are in the wrong career. If I was your Platton Leader, you would stay E4 for a long time if you declined CPL.
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