Posted on May 4, 2021
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I recently came back from SFAS. I made it up to day 18 before I was IW for failure to perform. Team week really kicked my ass and it was a big realization that I need to get physically better before I try again. It was my second attempt at selection so I was given an automatic NTR. Is it possible to get a waiver for this NTR since the reason was for a performance issue?
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That's the whole reason it means Never to Return. SFAS isn't about how physically ready you are, but being physically ready makes it easier to handle. It's about how you perform once you're past your breaking point. When your body says it's done are you the kind of person who tells it to keep on going or not?

In SFAS you aren't just assessed on your physical performance, there are multiple areas - whole Soldier concept - that are taken into consideration together. You can be a beast but not get along with others. You can be the weakest member but still be value added to the team in other areas. Where do you think you scored in other areas?

Exceptions to policy are for exceptional people or exceptional circumstances. What about you or your circumstances is exceptional? If your request for an ETP reads that you simply showed up unprepared - twice - nobody wants that guy on their team. That's why there is a two time NTR policy. So how do you plan to lay out your appeal to the Commandant of SWC, a Major General, to explain how you or your situation has changed exceptionally and how you would be a valuable member to a team?
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MSG (Join to see) - Yes SFC, that is correct.
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SFC Retention Operations Nco
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MSG (Join to see) yes unless one reason was a med drop then they're usually given another shot
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CPL Richard Hughes
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From what my understanding is. If you’re a non-select. It doesn’t matter. It still counts. MSG (Join to see)
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Outstanding answer with ownership of shortcomings on the individual.
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Did you get an ARSOF NTR or just SF NTR? You probably won’t go back through SFAS. But you can go to Pysops or CA if you didn’t get an ARSOF. If you did you can still do tier 1 units (smus) ranger or SOAR
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Beat me to it.
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NTR (Never To Return) in Monopoly speak is "Do Not Pass Go, Do Not Collect $200.00." If the SFAS told/marked you as NTR, then that's it.
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