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To make a long story short, i would like to switch back to IRR. I listenined to the recruiters lies again and joined the reserves without a contract. The only reason why i joined is because i thought that i would be able to switch my job to 25B and learn computers, but it turns out that is not going to happen anytime soon and i would rather go to college. How can i make the switch back asap?
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Go to your reserve unit and request transfer back to the IRR. Just not showing up would irresponsible and could be a negative if you ever wanted to come back to the active reserves.
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SPC Shaun Boykin
First, how were you lied to? An IRR transfer is a transfer and not an enlistment so you are acting within your original contract...or to restate: no, you do have a contract and have since you enlisted. You did not join anything, you were, and are, in the Reserves. If you transfer back to the component you were in, you will still be in the Reserves.
What is serving in the Reserves is stopping you from attending college? Oh right, nothing.
You can request to be transferred back to the IRR or simply not report and you will automatically be transferred back.
First, how were you lied to? An IRR transfer is a transfer and not an enlistment so you are acting within your original contract...or to restate: no, you do have a contract and have since you enlisted. You did not join anything, you were, and are, in the Reserves. If you transfer back to the component you were in, you will still be in the Reserves.
What is serving in the Reserves is stopping you from attending college? Oh right, nothing.
You can request to be transferred back to the IRR or simply not report and you will automatically be transferred back.
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So, you did an IRR transfer into an Army Reserve unit, not a prior service enlistment contract?
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SFC J Fullerton
MSG Brad Sand - Unless it has changed again, it wouldn't have been a USAREC Reserve recruiter. Had to of been a 79V in the unit working off a DMDC list.
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SFC J Fullerton - This is not very sound advice to be giving SPC Shaun Boykin Are you advising him to just stop showing up? Yes that General Discharge is going to be a great thing for him in the future. They do not always just "transfer you back" The correct way is to request through his chain of command to go back in the IRR for Cogent Personal reasons. Let the process work and see if it gets approved.
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SFC J Fullerton
SFC (Join to see) - No, I am not advising him to that. But in reality, that is generally what happens.
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SFC J Fullerton
SPC Shaun Boykin - Just FYI- I advise you to go through your chain of command and request to be transferred back to the IRR. That is the right way to go about it. I was never suggesting that you just stop showing up. I was only stating what "generally" happens in cases like that.
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I switched from IRR to reserve unit a year ago and then got a civilian promotion out of state right after. All I had to do was call (about 10 times) the unit I had just transferred to and request to go back to IRR. It was super easy once they realized I'd keep called a couple times a week
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Others have answered your question better than I can-the only thing I would add and it's not a big concern right now but when mobilizations of Reserve, Guard and Active Military Units were happening at a fast tempo most of the soldiers used to fill Reserve Units came out of the IRR.
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How do you join any service and/or component without a contract?
If there is no contract, I guess either side can walk away with no repercussions.
If there is no contract, I guess either side can walk away with no repercussions.
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SPC Shaun Boykin
From what the recruiter told me, since i already fulfilled the contract obligation when i was active he said i can go into reserves voluntary, because i dont have a service obligation
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MSG Brad Sand
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Everyone who joins a regular component of the military has an initial MSO of 8 years. They may have an Active Duty agreement from 2 to 8 years. The remaining time is normally spent in the Inactive Ready Reserve, but some agree in their initial contract to a period of Active Reserve at the end of their Active Duty...more common with the shorter initial AD. SPC Boykin agreed to transfer between the IRR and a TPU, which can be done with simple signature from the soldier. I would be interested in finding out who the recruiter was and seeing where they were working from? IRR transfers is something that has been abused for decades BUT the soldier needs to be aware of what theyare signing too?
Everyone who joins a regular component of the military has an initial MSO of 8 years. They may have an Active Duty agreement from 2 to 8 years. The remaining time is normally spent in the Inactive Ready Reserve, but some agree in their initial contract to a period of Active Reserve at the end of their Active Duty...more common with the shorter initial AD. SPC Boykin agreed to transfer between the IRR and a TPU, which can be done with simple signature from the soldier. I would be interested in finding out who the recruiter was and seeing where they were working from? IRR transfers is something that has been abused for decades BUT the soldier needs to be aware of what theyare signing too?
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MSG Brad Sand - I know about the MSO. I didn't know one could switch back and forth with a 4187.
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I am not sure how you could have switched without a contract. The contract would be binding, if your in one. Check with yoUR chain of comand. It is part of the reason you have one.
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I just transferred back to the IRR due to family obligations. Because I wasn't under a contract I just worked with my OIC to submit a 4187 requesting transfer.
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CPT Jess Williams
They'll give you push back if there's not a "good reason"...regardless of your lack of contract.
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CPT Jess Williams
Erik, I'm not sure. I know I submitted my 4187 to transfer back to the IRR in February. I got my confirmation letter (and the subsequent emails from recruiters checking to see if I want back on AD or a Reserve unit) at the end of May.
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Thanks.. My IRR packet was uploaded to ePAT on 6 June. I actually had to supply counseling's from the CDR, Career Counselor, 4651, letter of justification to my R-RPAC and supporting docs before they would submit. So I will plan on IRR letter in about 60-120 days. Thanks for the info
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SFC J Fullerton
FYI-Its an IRR transfer and all it takes is a 4187. The SM is just agreeing to serve out the remainder of their MSO in a reserve unit instead of the IRR. Once the MSO is over, they are eligible to re-enlist under an actual contract. With an IRR transfer, the SM is selecting the unit and slot to which belong.
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SFC J Fullerton
SPC Shaun Boykin - You wouldn't be in the IRR if you didn't have MSO remaining after your active duty enlistment term was up. Everyone who joins the military has an 8 Year MSO. (military service obligation). For example, if your active duty contract was 4 years and you ETS'ed, you would have 4 years in the IRR to serve out the remainder of your 8 year MSO. A member of the IRR can transfer to a USAR or ARNG unit up until they have 1 year of MSO (IRR time) remaining.
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SPC Shaun Boykin
honestly, i dont want either of those. My life is busy as it is and adding another commitment like the army isnt something i can keep up with
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