Posted on Apr 16, 2021
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I recently made the promotion list for E-5, I was just wondering if it was even a thing to promote yourself on PCs leave. My brother told me he would pin before heading to my next unit.
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MAJ Samuel Weber
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I’d advise you wait until you arrive at your unit. In the mean time, let your sponsor know you made the cut off and to inform your COC. If you a copy of your promotion orders that would be helpful and you should send a copy to your sponsor or gaining unit S-1. I would definitely advise against pinning yourself. The transition from SPC/CPL to SGT usually comes with an NCO induction ceremony. You really don’t want to start off on the wrong foot with your new unit CSM. Good luck and congratulations.
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Sgt Jeff M.
Sgt Jeff M.
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fixed.
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Sgt Jeff M.
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fixed -replied above to the main question. WHERE the heck is the DELETE comment option? Why is it we can EDIT, but not DELETE our own comments?????
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SSG Bill McCoy
SSG Bill McCoy
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Sgt Jeff M. - You can delete by chosing "Edit," then back space over your statement, or select the entire comment and hit delete by holding down the shift key as you move your mouse over any part of the text you want to remove, then hit the delete button.
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SSG Technical Engineer
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Keep in mind you do have the right to decline a promotion ceremony and pin yourself. It happens quite often when Soldiers don't want the pomp and circumstance and they just want to go to work. If your command tries to make you then its proof that they want to appease their own ego. Thanks
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CW2 Electronic Warfare Technician
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The orders are what matters. The ceremony is just a tradition. Being on the list doesn't mean you are promoted yet as well. If you have promotion orders and it is past the date of rank, then throw it on. If you are still just "promotable" then continue to wait for points.
I pinned SFC without a ceremony. Ceremonies are nice and all, but it is the orders that actually promote/award/assume command
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SP5 Jeannie Carle
SP5 Jeannie Carle
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Thank you Sir! I was on the E5 list a bit before I got my promotion. That list most assuredly is NOT a promotion. :-)
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Sgt Jeff M.
Sgt Jeff M.
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Agreed - go by your "orders" and/or notice of promotion; ensuring it is after the date of your promotion; then all is fair game.
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1SG Pw Smith
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I can promise you that you being on a list does not mean you have the promotion. If you are passed over for whatever reason, you do not want a First Sergeant or Sergeant Major on you out of the gate. I have had soldiers show up wearing rank they have not received yet. It is embarrassing for you and believe me, a good chewing out comes with that embarrassment.
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SFC Casey O'Mally
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In line with MSG (Join to see) and MAJ Samuel Weber, I would advise against doing so without gaining unit permission. Some folks get SUPER touchy about it.

I picked up SFC while I was in school. Technically, I was TDY from Florida to Fort Huachuca. However my assignment in Florida was actually a detachment from a parent company in.... you guessed it, Fort Huachuca. My parent unit pinned me on a Friday evening after the schoolhouse was done with me. The schoolhouse unit was PISSED and the 1SG ripped off my rank when I showed up with it Monday morning. I explained that my ACTUAL unit had pinned me, not just me pinning myself, and not my TDY unit (the schoolhouse). He refused to find that an "acceptable answer" and threatened to make me wear SSG for a week as "punishment."

To be clear - that was completely unprofessional of the 1SG, and there is no way he could have enforced his threat. But it didn't stop him from blowing a gasket. Even though I didn't pin myself, that 1SG *still* felt like I was trying to "cheat him out of my promotion" (his words). Not sure how he was entitled to *my* promotion, but that is how he felt.

I am not saying that reaction is routine or to be expected - but I am not saying he is the only 1SG who ever had that thought process, either. Better to be safe. If you want family to be there, participate, or even do it themselves, most of the time the unit - gaining or losing - will be happy to accommodate. Just don't leave them in the dark.
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Can I pin myself if I’m on PCs leave? Or should I wait to arrive at my new unit?
Lt Col Charlie Brown
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You can't wear it until your line number comes up.
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MSgt Mark Bucher
MSgt Mark Bucher
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Army does things differently than we do for promotions. Don't know if they have line numbers and the monthly promotion quota, or if they frock, like the Navy does.
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Lt Col Charlie Brown
Lt Col Charlie Brown
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MSgt Mark Bucher - I always told my folks, have one shirt with the current rank and one with the new available when going PCS, just in case...
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MSgt Mark Bucher
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Good call on that Lt Col Charlie Brown
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MSG Intermediate Care Technician
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If you don't have orders in hand and iPermed, then do not pin. If you do have orders iPermed and in hand, contact your new unit to see if they'll want to pin you or if you can walk in wearing. Some units are very big into the tradition if pinning in front of the unit.
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SSgt Christophe Murphy
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The Army may do things differently but in the Marine Corps you are promoted by your Command. Plenty of stories are told of the guy/gal who promoted themselves on leave and showed up with rank they had not been formally promoted to yet.
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SGT Debra McDonough Travis
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I pinned myself years ago on leave. I was checking into HAAF as a E-4 and orders were there for my promotion. I was taking leave and the admin told me I could do it myself and report in as an E-5 instead of E-4 but I better have my new rank on my uniforms.
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Sgt Jeff M.
Sgt Jeff M.
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Yep, it varies. Some places won't care; others may be offended.
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SGT Robert Wager
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The Department of the Army has imposed special trust in the patriotism, fidelity and valor and demonstrated leadership ability....

He is therefore promoted from SPC to SGT with a date of rank of...

If you have a piece of paper that says that, with a DOR Before your report date then that is your rank upon reporting
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CSM Darieus ZaGara
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If you made the list while on leave between units you should not show up wearing your new grade.
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SGM Bill Frazer
SGM Bill Frazer
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A great way to P.O. all your new NCO chain for sure.
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Sgt Jeff M.
Sgt Jeff M.
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I disagree - it depends on the unit. If you legally attained (and were promoted to) Sgt, then show up as Sgt. But, I do agree it's best if that already is reflected on the orders sent to the unit who is receiving you - i.e., "Sgt what's-his-face is transferring in." But, if the orders say different - I agree with earlier person who said, "Check with the unit." They may not give a care, one way or the other. It varies.
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SFC Signal Support Systems Specialist
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Congrats!
Now the real work begins.
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