Posted on Jan 6, 2016
SPC(P) Delcina Myers
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UPDATE 02/12/2021

WOW! This thread really blew up! And people are still commenting (some ruthless) for the past 5 years, so an official update and hopefully this thread dies down, like, completely.

I finally obtained an IST after a year of trying. State of Indiana never sent my paperwork to Missouri, so I had to call IG to figure out what was going on (that's how I found out that Indiana never sent my paperwork - I wasn't showing up on Missouris' roster, and Indiana wasn't showing me on theirs either, just that I had been discharged from Indiana NG). 3 weeks after the phone call, I was officially in the Missouri ARNG. I drilled faithfully for the remaining 4-5 years, and ETS'd in February 2020. I also had a hysterectomy that same month, and I do feel much better now. The previous November I had my miracle baby, as you can read in the update following this one. He is now 15 months old, and my pride and joy.

To clear the air a bit: No, I was NOT receiving pay while I was AWOL - that comment meant I didn't want to lose the money I COULD BE EARNING while drilling faithfully.

I plead my case to my Commander, 1SG, PS and new SL (he was team leader before this stupid mishap). The NCO that told me I was being discharge DID own up to his mistake. A case of mistaken identity (there was another girl in the unit that it was meant for - we looked a lot alike. A unit of that size, I can understand the mistake, however, I guess I should have stated who I was and maybe all of this wouldn't have happened). Also with that being said, I was never previously discharged before, so I didn't know about the paperwork needing to be signed. ALSO with that note, I still haven't received anything about my recent discharge/ETS as of yet, and it has been a year.

Since I had paperwork with me upon my return, it helped my case. Everything from the miscarriage until my doctors release. After the miscarriage, I did supply my unit with a doctors note - that must have been lost in a pile and never submitted, therefore my unit couldn't process an "in-house medical leave" as some could call it, profile, whatever the case. My then Squad leader didn't even pass on the message of my being in the hospital after my miscarriage, as it was the Friday before drill. One would think he would have the brain capacity to do so - no.

I had a very large fibroid on my uterus. I lost my baby when I was 14 weeks pregnant, but registering as I was almost 20 weeks pregnant. 2 weeks prior to the miscarriage, the tumor, as I called it, and the baby were fighting each other for survival. For those who don't understand fibroids, it's basically a mass of cells (benign, non cancerous) that survives off of blood flow, and so does a baby/fetus. The tumor was dying, and so it was trying to fight to survive. It caused excruciating pain, almost paralyzing pain, and honestly, the way Indianas' healthcare system is set up, I couldn't receive the treatment I needed. I had already known about the fibroid a good 3 years prior to this, and upon being assigned a General MD (until 36 weeks pregnant, then the pregnant woman gets referred to an OB/GYN for the remainder of her pregnancy - no choosing a doctor in this instance), but no one was listening to me when I stated that I would be high risk until it was too late. Due to this nature, my uterus wasn't shrinking like a normal one would - prolonging my healing. I did communicate with my SL during this time, he would say "Just keep me posted", not knowing he wasn't passing the message on. Finally I received release paperwork from my doctor, and I immediately went straight to my unit to give them said paperwork, and that is when the NCO told me the "bad news". I was being discharged. So, what I'm curious about, is why you all say I should have given them my phone number or address after being told about the "discharge"? In my mind, I was getting out. No need for future correspondence. Thank god for Facebook, huh? A non-acceptable form of communication really did work out in the end. I honestly don't know why it took the new SL to get ahold of me, I still wonder to this day, but I'm honestly not going to lose sleep over it.

Times were getting tough for us, my then boyfriend/now Husband relocating for work, and us not knowing anyone, no babysitter for the older kids caused us to move to Missouri so we could be with my aging father and take care of him/him take care of us kind of deal. I didn't think giving my old unit my new forwarding address or phone number mattered, as I "thought" I was being discharged. However, if all that didn't happen, I do believe I would still be in that wretched state (can you guys tell I despise Indiana? I was born there, moved her to Missouri in 1996, and moved to Indiana to be close to my biological dad after my mom passed in 2013, AND hopefully get free of my abusive ex-husband (yes, it worked), where I met my current husband). Ironically, 2 weeks prior to our move to Indiana, I ran into my PS at the restaurant I worked at, and he didn't even seem to know about my miscarriage (which should have thrown flags up by his confused look) and he DID come back for me once he realized I was still on their roster, however we had already moved at that time. So yes, he did try.

SOOO... I think that sums it up.

PLEASE, for all things holy, do not respond to this thread.. It is very old, and it gets tiring repeating myself to new comments (which, hopefully with this update being first on the list, you guys won't need to comment).

Was I a crappy soldier? I don't think so. I always did what was asked of me, within reason. Did I stop caring after being AWOL for a year and coming back? Yes. I know I probably didn't "deserve" respect, perse as far what had happened, but there should be a line as to how to treat a soldier no matter what their APFT score is, their height/weight, etc. Some of the leadership in that unit really sucked, and some of those leaders treated others like shite no matter their stance in the unit....

For instance: a PV2 that never had a passing PT test was able to be team leader before a SPC. Doesn't make sense, does it? I'm not sure what the term is... Hazing, maybe? Bullying definitely. Belittling in front of others, etc. that happened quite a bit. Thats not professionalism. So yes, I stopped caring. Because I was the target. From my own squad leader. No matter what had happened, I didn't deserve that. I could have easily taken a dishonorable being so many states away, but I didn't. I went back and tried my hardest to be a good soldier, 12 hour drive one way. There was even a time that I VOLUNTEERED to be on door guard duty for someone so s/he could use the latrine and get something to eat, to NOT be released the entire day and watching all the other platoons and companies of the Battalion be released to go home. No relief. I got a phone call when I was on my way home asking where I was at, and that "You weren't relieved of your duties, you need to come back" My response? "We were released" to be told "No, the unit was released. You were not." Shit ass unit. Sorry for my language. Once I got my IST I never looked back. Even my new unit had to un-f*ck my paperwork that was sent over. The new unit treated me like I was family, like a unit should (IMHO).

Thank you all for reading the new update. Things are going very well for me. So well in fact, that an injury I sustained in BCT/AIT 14 years ago is now being reviewed for VA Disability. Tinnitus was approved, just waiting on the others.



UPDATE 11/15

Since so many people have been responding to this 3 year old thread, and not really reading updated comments, here is an official update:

So, when I returned to my old unit, I have medical documentation, and also provided insight on the miscarriage and baby as well. He would’ve been born with Trisomy 13, which also gives a short life span as well, so in my eyes the miscarriage is kind of a blessing. My commander and 1SG were informed of what happened, made copies of my medical documents, and asked what I wanted. I requested to stay in (since I was originally looking at a hardship discharge due to the pregnancy in the first place, since I was no longer pregnancy and physically/mentally stable, I requested to stay in). At this time, I had an actual discharge packet at state for being unsat, and my CO informed me that if she could pull it then she will, but if not then it would go through and I would receive a general discharge. The following Monday I received an email stating that she successfully pulled the packet.

From then on (that is January 2016) until August, I continued to drive 12 hours one way to drill; I had to miss in July due to family reasons, but I’m August I went up early to make up the July drill. When I was an hour away, I called to make sure someone would be there, so I could sleep in the armory. At this time, I was asked if I wanted to do an IST, I said yes. I was also informed that my July drill had been excused (more non communication from my CoC- go figure). That following September, I was drilling with a new unit in my current HOR state. That unit was scheduled to deploy to Cuba the following summer. I wanted to go. However, my transfer wasn’t complete at that time, come to find out, Indiana has discharged me from their records (so Missouri could pick me up), but never sent the paperwork. From July until September 2017, I was in Limbo - not actively drilling because “I didn’t exist” in ANY states records. I called IG, and within 3 weeks I was on the roster to a different unit (the one I was trying to deploy with had already left, so I found another unit). Currently still in said unit, and on good drilling status.

Since I couldn’t go to Cuba in 2017, there was another unit scheduled to deploy May of this year to Kuwait. I wanted to go as well. And my name was actually on the roster to deploy.

Why didn’t I?

I found out I was pregnant in february; and on 11/3 I delivered a healthy, beautiful baby boy. My miracle finally happened! I had a rough beginning of pregnancy, when I was 6 weeks I went to the ER due to severe cramping (thought I was having a miscarriage again); doctor said it was a blighted ovum (Empty sac) because my HCG/PH levels weren’t as high as they should’ve been. So I went home, waiting to pass the fetus. A week went by, and still nothing.

Come to find out, I was a week behind. So instead of being 6 weeks at that time, I was actually 5 weeks. I still have the tumor, and in the spring time everything will be taken out.

And yes, the fibroid has and still is registering me as pregnant, by the measurement guide. When I was pregnant, I started out measuring at 12 weeks; towards the end I was only a week ahead (measuring).

No, I was not receiving pay while I was absent, and the “warrant” for my arrest was a ploy to get me back, which he didn’t have to threaten with and lie about. I would’ve been back to drill that May if they had informed me of my actual status; but honestly, why would I keep in communication with a unit that is discharging me, and telling me I no longer have to show up? In my eyes, I was done. That unit wasn’t my favorite, so I’m not gonna go back and talk to people like they were my teachers from High School, post graduation.

I had a miscarriage last January, and by not healing quick enough my former Readiness NCO told me that I was being discharged (In April). This past December, My "new" squad leader had gotten ahold of me via Facebook and let me know what was going on, if I didn't show up then I was going to be arrested, et cetera.

What I don't understand, is why didn't my platoon sergeant tell me that I was still on the roster when I saw him in August? I have moved two states away since then, and now I have to travel 12+hours to go to drill.

I need help, I don't know what to do, say, et cetera. I'm in the National Guard, and I was told long ago that article 15 can't be given to National Guard soldiers due to just being one weekend a month. Honestly, I'm scared. I waited a long time to get E4, and I don't want to lose it, nor my pay because I'm hurting as it is.

Any questions, just ask. But I really need advice. I plan on showing up for drill, and I don't want to be discharged, but a part of me thinks this is a set up to arrest me, which apparently there is a warrant for my arrest, and I don't know how to look that up either.

Thankyou.
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SGT Luis San Roman Jr
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I honestly would just seek legal counsel and try to salvage what you can from this situation. BUT, as a soldier whether it be NG, Reservist or Active Duty if your stationed somewhere, you don't just moved wherever you want. Your appointed place of Duty is your place of assignment. I'm not going to move to Texas if I'm stationed in Ft. Polk, LA....that's just basic common sense.
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Some people were never issued common sense, and refuse to DX that broken motivator.
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GySgt Carl Rumbolo
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But...but....you mean someone actually has to be ....personally responsible for their actions?....what a quaint idea (cue sarcasm font)
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On a point of personal accountability you should have maintained an open line of communication with your chain of command throughout your medical issue. That being said, you've got options. First off, you're not going to be arrested. What you need to do is request a Voluntary transfer to the IRR due to hardship. Once your situation is more stable you can transfer back to the guard in the state you now reside in. If there's a Reserve unit closer, you can also choose to join a Reserve unit when you come out of the IRR. I'm a reservist and a Military Technician. I routinely handle personnel issues like this on a regular basis.
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SSG Pmo Ops Sgt
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I'm thinking it's a little late to be trying for a transfer after you have been AWOL for a year.
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GySgt Carl Rumbolo
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Transfer? you mean seek reward for piss poor personal responsibility, no... you don't reward bad behavior - discharge them and move on.
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Problem is that the guard and reserve don't see it that way. They hold NCOs and Commanders responsible for shitheads that just don't show up for drill. So unfortunately, yeah, they reward bad behavior because a transfer to another unit or the IRR looks better for their numbers or is just plain easier than an UNSAT discharge.
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SSG (Join to see) - you rarely see an awol charge on a guard or reserve soldier. Mainly because for a legitimat sell charge you must be gone for 30 or more consecutive days. They haven't and aren't charging the soldier as awol. That is either bullshit on her part or a scare tactic on theirs. Either way, she can't be charged as awol.
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Capt Mark Strobl
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SPC(P) Delcina Myers - If the situation is as anteceptic as you describe, there is a two-fold failure: One on your behalf and the other upon your command. Taking your statement at face value, I would recommend you decline the Aticle 15 and accept Courts Martial. At the end of the day, you will have to accept the consequences of your own decisions. But if you are truly not guilty of anything beyond some mutually poor communication, a Courts Matial may find you innocent --especially in light of ALL mitigating circumstances. Get your proverbial ducks lined up!
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She can be tried in the State civil court.
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SPC Jonathan Packard
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Under your circumstances you will only be discharged. If you were regular duty it would be a different story. I would not lose any sleep over this.
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Well you will need to worry if she has been continued to be paid the whole time she has been missing drill, which seems to be the case because she stated she doesn't want to lose the money. This is fraud.
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GySgt Carl Rumbolo
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SSG (Join to see) - Yes, a recovery of pay disbursed but not legally entitled is a possibility.
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SPC Tony Bucaro
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First ... I have to say that I am sorry for your loss last January.
Second ... Your pretty screwed. Being an E-4(P) you have to have been in the Guard for more than a day. I'm sure you knew that you had to let your chain-of-command know that you were moving so you could either transfer units or make arrangements to make your drills. So I don't buy that "I didn't know" story.
Third .... If you want to stick to that story that you didn't know, then your chain-of-command needs to bust you down to a Private and have you start all over again. I don't know what Army you are in but when I was in the Army (89'-97') E-4 (P's) were Team Leaders. They were in charge of soldiers, equipment, and other leadership tasks. They led by example. This is NOT leading by example.
I'm sorry to be so forward but fact is fact. I have served 8 years in the Army all of which was Active Duty and all of which was Infantry. I am still serving as a DoD employee on Ft. Campbell, KY. in the Health Care field for the last 14 years. I have seen how "Joe" has evolved over the years and it's pretty sad to say the least. The Army .... my Army .... has been gone for a long time now and this is whats left ...... "Mushy Joe" ..... take responsibility for your fuck up and drive on!! HOOAH!!
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I would count my blessings and start showing up for drill. I don't believe the warrant statement. People stop showing up for drill all the time (we call them ghosts). We simply place them on inactive status and list them as ineligible to re enlist. I've never heard of putting out an arrest warrant for a no show.....
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SFC Antonio Nieto
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Okay first of all you can't get an article 15 because you are on drill status, you have to missed a maximum of 8 consecutives muta periods in order for your commander to submit an awol package to start your discharge from the national guard, if you receive a bonus at the time of your enlistment, you might have to paid this back to the government, also make sure you keep an open channel of communication between, you and your leadership, I would advice you to turn all the gear you have received from the unit take everything with you and let your supply Sargent decided what you are allowed to keep, together with your awol package they have might also created stamens of charges because the commander will argued that their she has made several attempts to take the gear back without any success you ate not getting arrested, and anyone that tells you so is wrong just do what is right and turn your gear the military is not for everyone, but sometimes you are better off doing the right thing
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SGT Marc Riordan
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The national guard can't arrest you, unless you were on federal orders and deserted. They should have dropped you from their rolls, moving you to the irr.
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Or, marked her as unsat and general discharged her with a RE Code of 4.
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You're not on title 10 orders and therefore can not be arrested for being AWOL from the national guard. I could he wrong but I also don't think you can get an article 15 while on title 32.
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National Guard belongs to the state and the State Codes cover the National Guard. You can have a bench warrant issued by the State Courts for your arrest and the next time you get pulled over or have a records check done it will be there waiting for you and you can be arrested at that time.
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I have personal experience here. If you missed an AT or 9 consecutive utas Durring a 12 month period you should have received certified mail no matter your address. Because even if you moved your unit has your previous address and your mail is forwarded to your new address. If your unit failed to put that paperwork together or annotate your status on a NOVAL pay list then you should be able to and should go back to drilling ASAP. Firstly I would contact the unit immediately to let them know of your whereabouts and obtain a new drill schedule and contact roster for your section. If you take nothing else from this remember communication is key.
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