Posted on Jan 6, 2016
SPC(P) Delcina Myers
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UPDATE 02/12/2021

WOW! This thread really blew up! And people are still commenting (some ruthless) for the past 5 years, so an official update and hopefully this thread dies down, like, completely.

I finally obtained an IST after a year of trying. State of Indiana never sent my paperwork to Missouri, so I had to call IG to figure out what was going on (that's how I found out that Indiana never sent my paperwork - I wasn't showing up on Missouris' roster, and Indiana wasn't showing me on theirs either, just that I had been discharged from Indiana NG). 3 weeks after the phone call, I was officially in the Missouri ARNG. I drilled faithfully for the remaining 4-5 years, and ETS'd in February 2020. I also had a hysterectomy that same month, and I do feel much better now. The previous November I had my miracle baby, as you can read in the update following this one. He is now 15 months old, and my pride and joy.

To clear the air a bit: No, I was NOT receiving pay while I was AWOL - that comment meant I didn't want to lose the money I COULD BE EARNING while drilling faithfully.

I plead my case to my Commander, 1SG, PS and new SL (he was team leader before this stupid mishap). The NCO that told me I was being discharge DID own up to his mistake. A case of mistaken identity (there was another girl in the unit that it was meant for - we looked a lot alike. A unit of that size, I can understand the mistake, however, I guess I should have stated who I was and maybe all of this wouldn't have happened). Also with that being said, I was never previously discharged before, so I didn't know about the paperwork needing to be signed. ALSO with that note, I still haven't received anything about my recent discharge/ETS as of yet, and it has been a year.

Since I had paperwork with me upon my return, it helped my case. Everything from the miscarriage until my doctors release. After the miscarriage, I did supply my unit with a doctors note - that must have been lost in a pile and never submitted, therefore my unit couldn't process an "in-house medical leave" as some could call it, profile, whatever the case. My then Squad leader didn't even pass on the message of my being in the hospital after my miscarriage, as it was the Friday before drill. One would think he would have the brain capacity to do so - no.

I had a very large fibroid on my uterus. I lost my baby when I was 14 weeks pregnant, but registering as I was almost 20 weeks pregnant. 2 weeks prior to the miscarriage, the tumor, as I called it, and the baby were fighting each other for survival. For those who don't understand fibroids, it's basically a mass of cells (benign, non cancerous) that survives off of blood flow, and so does a baby/fetus. The tumor was dying, and so it was trying to fight to survive. It caused excruciating pain, almost paralyzing pain, and honestly, the way Indianas' healthcare system is set up, I couldn't receive the treatment I needed. I had already known about the fibroid a good 3 years prior to this, and upon being assigned a General MD (until 36 weeks pregnant, then the pregnant woman gets referred to an OB/GYN for the remainder of her pregnancy - no choosing a doctor in this instance), but no one was listening to me when I stated that I would be high risk until it was too late. Due to this nature, my uterus wasn't shrinking like a normal one would - prolonging my healing. I did communicate with my SL during this time, he would say "Just keep me posted", not knowing he wasn't passing the message on. Finally I received release paperwork from my doctor, and I immediately went straight to my unit to give them said paperwork, and that is when the NCO told me the "bad news". I was being discharged. So, what I'm curious about, is why you all say I should have given them my phone number or address after being told about the "discharge"? In my mind, I was getting out. No need for future correspondence. Thank god for Facebook, huh? A non-acceptable form of communication really did work out in the end. I honestly don't know why it took the new SL to get ahold of me, I still wonder to this day, but I'm honestly not going to lose sleep over it.

Times were getting tough for us, my then boyfriend/now Husband relocating for work, and us not knowing anyone, no babysitter for the older kids caused us to move to Missouri so we could be with my aging father and take care of him/him take care of us kind of deal. I didn't think giving my old unit my new forwarding address or phone number mattered, as I "thought" I was being discharged. However, if all that didn't happen, I do believe I would still be in that wretched state (can you guys tell I despise Indiana? I was born there, moved her to Missouri in 1996, and moved to Indiana to be close to my biological dad after my mom passed in 2013, AND hopefully get free of my abusive ex-husband (yes, it worked), where I met my current husband). Ironically, 2 weeks prior to our move to Indiana, I ran into my PS at the restaurant I worked at, and he didn't even seem to know about my miscarriage (which should have thrown flags up by his confused look) and he DID come back for me once he realized I was still on their roster, however we had already moved at that time. So yes, he did try.

SOOO... I think that sums it up.

PLEASE, for all things holy, do not respond to this thread.. It is very old, and it gets tiring repeating myself to new comments (which, hopefully with this update being first on the list, you guys won't need to comment).

Was I a crappy soldier? I don't think so. I always did what was asked of me, within reason. Did I stop caring after being AWOL for a year and coming back? Yes. I know I probably didn't "deserve" respect, perse as far what had happened, but there should be a line as to how to treat a soldier no matter what their APFT score is, their height/weight, etc. Some of the leadership in that unit really sucked, and some of those leaders treated others like shite no matter their stance in the unit....

For instance: a PV2 that never had a passing PT test was able to be team leader before a SPC. Doesn't make sense, does it? I'm not sure what the term is... Hazing, maybe? Bullying definitely. Belittling in front of others, etc. that happened quite a bit. Thats not professionalism. So yes, I stopped caring. Because I was the target. From my own squad leader. No matter what had happened, I didn't deserve that. I could have easily taken a dishonorable being so many states away, but I didn't. I went back and tried my hardest to be a good soldier, 12 hour drive one way. There was even a time that I VOLUNTEERED to be on door guard duty for someone so s/he could use the latrine and get something to eat, to NOT be released the entire day and watching all the other platoons and companies of the Battalion be released to go home. No relief. I got a phone call when I was on my way home asking where I was at, and that "You weren't relieved of your duties, you need to come back" My response? "We were released" to be told "No, the unit was released. You were not." Shit ass unit. Sorry for my language. Once I got my IST I never looked back. Even my new unit had to un-f*ck my paperwork that was sent over. The new unit treated me like I was family, like a unit should (IMHO).

Thank you all for reading the new update. Things are going very well for me. So well in fact, that an injury I sustained in BCT/AIT 14 years ago is now being reviewed for VA Disability. Tinnitus was approved, just waiting on the others.



UPDATE 11/15

Since so many people have been responding to this 3 year old thread, and not really reading updated comments, here is an official update:

So, when I returned to my old unit, I have medical documentation, and also provided insight on the miscarriage and baby as well. He would’ve been born with Trisomy 13, which also gives a short life span as well, so in my eyes the miscarriage is kind of a blessing. My commander and 1SG were informed of what happened, made copies of my medical documents, and asked what I wanted. I requested to stay in (since I was originally looking at a hardship discharge due to the pregnancy in the first place, since I was no longer pregnancy and physically/mentally stable, I requested to stay in). At this time, I had an actual discharge packet at state for being unsat, and my CO informed me that if she could pull it then she will, but if not then it would go through and I would receive a general discharge. The following Monday I received an email stating that she successfully pulled the packet.

From then on (that is January 2016) until August, I continued to drive 12 hours one way to drill; I had to miss in July due to family reasons, but I’m August I went up early to make up the July drill. When I was an hour away, I called to make sure someone would be there, so I could sleep in the armory. At this time, I was asked if I wanted to do an IST, I said yes. I was also informed that my July drill had been excused (more non communication from my CoC- go figure). That following September, I was drilling with a new unit in my current HOR state. That unit was scheduled to deploy to Cuba the following summer. I wanted to go. However, my transfer wasn’t complete at that time, come to find out, Indiana has discharged me from their records (so Missouri could pick me up), but never sent the paperwork. From July until September 2017, I was in Limbo - not actively drilling because “I didn’t exist” in ANY states records. I called IG, and within 3 weeks I was on the roster to a different unit (the one I was trying to deploy with had already left, so I found another unit). Currently still in said unit, and on good drilling status.

Since I couldn’t go to Cuba in 2017, there was another unit scheduled to deploy May of this year to Kuwait. I wanted to go as well. And my name was actually on the roster to deploy.

Why didn’t I?

I found out I was pregnant in february; and on 11/3 I delivered a healthy, beautiful baby boy. My miracle finally happened! I had a rough beginning of pregnancy, when I was 6 weeks I went to the ER due to severe cramping (thought I was having a miscarriage again); doctor said it was a blighted ovum (Empty sac) because my HCG/PH levels weren’t as high as they should’ve been. So I went home, waiting to pass the fetus. A week went by, and still nothing.

Come to find out, I was a week behind. So instead of being 6 weeks at that time, I was actually 5 weeks. I still have the tumor, and in the spring time everything will be taken out.

And yes, the fibroid has and still is registering me as pregnant, by the measurement guide. When I was pregnant, I started out measuring at 12 weeks; towards the end I was only a week ahead (measuring).

No, I was not receiving pay while I was absent, and the “warrant” for my arrest was a ploy to get me back, which he didn’t have to threaten with and lie about. I would’ve been back to drill that May if they had informed me of my actual status; but honestly, why would I keep in communication with a unit that is discharging me, and telling me I no longer have to show up? In my eyes, I was done. That unit wasn’t my favorite, so I’m not gonna go back and talk to people like they were my teachers from High School, post graduation.

I had a miscarriage last January, and by not healing quick enough my former Readiness NCO told me that I was being discharged (In April). This past December, My "new" squad leader had gotten ahold of me via Facebook and let me know what was going on, if I didn't show up then I was going to be arrested, et cetera.

What I don't understand, is why didn't my platoon sergeant tell me that I was still on the roster when I saw him in August? I have moved two states away since then, and now I have to travel 12+hours to go to drill.

I need help, I don't know what to do, say, et cetera. I'm in the National Guard, and I was told long ago that article 15 can't be given to National Guard soldiers due to just being one weekend a month. Honestly, I'm scared. I waited a long time to get E4, and I don't want to lose it, nor my pay because I'm hurting as it is.

Any questions, just ask. But I really need advice. I plan on showing up for drill, and I don't want to be discharged, but a part of me thinks this is a set up to arrest me, which apparently there is a warrant for my arrest, and I don't know how to look that up either.

Thankyou.
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MSgt Bruce Hutchinson
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Article 15's can be written on a reservist (I'm only guessing that a guardsman too) but it would be much easier for your battalion to simply discharge you. My advice if you want to continue is to contact your battalion now, and attempt to transfer to another armory.
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SGT Human Intelligence Collector
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First off don't believe the crap about arrest. People just trying to scare you. The most that will be happen is a general discharge.

Also a ngb22 doesn't mean shit to any employer. They don't even know to ask for it. Especially if you have real active duty 214s
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SSG Brian Lovins
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No one outside the NG knows what an NG-22 is, I accidentally sent mine in for my veteran license renewal instead of my DD-214, guess what I didn't get until I produced a DD-214.
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Lot of responses here, but I'd add that while you're not subject to federal UCMJ, most states have their own variant in state law, which may apply to you. It gets more difficult to apply if you've moved out of state.

If there is one thing that is axiomatic about the National Guard, however, is that the requisite paperwork behind a separation usually isn't right until they realize they actually need to start doing it. I've seen this and been a part of it.

You can probably still rectify this. No command is going to risk an IG peek at this circumstance. You may have to take your lumps for moving without notifying them. Communication is always key. If you want to continue to serve it will be very helpful if you are contrite and acknowledge where you yourself fell down in all of this.

I also don't say this to encourage you to do bad things, but both for your chain of command and for you, in almost all circumstances, I've observed since coming to the Guard in 99 after active duty, there's no consequence for almost anything duty related. It's something I continually find abhorrent, and why I'm insistent on building a trail of counseling for my soldiers. If I'm going to try and take a UTA of pay, I need that paper trail. It's like having a parent that threatens a punishment but never follows through, until we're on Title 10 orders and "stuff gets serious."
SGT Marc Riordan
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tuats not how this works, that's not how any of this works.
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In the military, and life in general, never take something as being done and finalized until you have the fine print signed and in your hands.

You can get an article 15 in the National Guard. I don't know who told you otherwise.

Your unit is supposed to contact you for every missed month and inform you of possible or pending AWOL proceedings. They might have tried and been unsuccessful because of your address change because they need to do so by letter to your recorded Home of Record. It didn't seem to stop your new squad leader from making contact with you though.

Call JAG and tell then the entire deal. Get real, solid legal advice from the pros on this one. Definitely plan on going to drill, but go to JAG first. You want to have an idea of how they will treat you and what your rights are. JAG can help you prepare for that first drill back.
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Sorry but Facebook is not recognized as formal contact.
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GySgt Carl Rumbolo
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SSG (Join to see) - What...you mean social media isn't a communication tool, well DARN the Army is so unfair (sarcasm)
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SMSgt Bob Wilson
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Sounds like another military SNAFU to me. Left hand did not know what the right hand was doing and everyone was waiting for the "paperwork". The word of the day is "initiative". It appears no one had any. The time is took to correct the issues was ridiculous, and the lack of interest on everyone's part was inexcusable.
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SPC(P) Delcina Myers
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You’re right. I had lost interest. Depression can do that. Plus after what I had endured prior to even the pregnancy, which I had not mentioned in this post because it wasn’t related, I did lose interest. I re-enlisted because I had just left my abusive ex-husband and had thought I missed being in the service. I missed the comradeship from my prior service, thinking it was going to be like that everywhere. Nope. Not all units treat each other like family, I couldn’t have been so wrong. Thankfully, I found that in my next unit and the rest of my contract was peaceful. Funny, my very first unit was ten times worse than this SNAFU unit. Last I heard, the last screwed up unit was disbanded, but I find that hard to believe seen as how it was an ASB. (Insert shrugging emoji here).
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SPC Daniel Dresen
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Glad your stuff was sorted. You aren't the only soldier to be lost in the cracks. As for your separation documents... good luck! Most states are a year or more behind in separation documents such as ngb22s. I worked in separations and as our section was reduced, I tried to maintain a 3 month lag or better. For 5 months... we were up to date on ETS and non ETS records. Then sequestration happened, state furloughs, and the section kept going down from there. I hear my old section is now 3 years behind. Imagine all the soldiers being forgotten now... and you can only be separated as AWOL if you are on active duty orders. For missed MUTAs, it's called unsatisfactory participation. You have to be notified via certified mail each missed UTA. We had guys who should have LONG been gone for this, but units didn't do correct paperwork yet, a guy admitted to a hospital long term was almost booted for missing annual training. Not on my watch. Too many admin people taking shortcuts and dropping the ball. Oh... and there probably wasn't an arrest warrant for you... why readiness NCOs pull that tactic is beyond me. Most departments hate just providing a last know address let alone initiate a warrant for unsatisfactory participation. Now if you missed AT or a mobilization... then it's different.
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SSG Stephen Wondercheck
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The National Guard.... enough said!!! Sorry but ur unit is garbage you should of still done the right thing no matter what get out and do active or reserve at least that’s my two cents if you like it or not that’s my thought on it
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SPC(P) Delcina Myers
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I honestly wish I had gone active in the beginning. Might’ve actually seen more than the Midwest. But Thank you for not being rude about my past situation.
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SSG Stephen Wondercheck
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SPC(P) Delcina Myers the past is the past you learn from it and grow to become better not only as soldier but as a human being people sometimes suck no matter what their rank maybe it’s the values and morales you have is what make you different than the others!
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A1C Gus Mimikos
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I served back in 1969 Delcina, hey don't worry at least the positive attention is good and screw the negative ones. I am so happy you had your little Miracle and I hope the baby is healthy. Going thru that procedure is a devastating one I know it . I knew someone close to me that did. It is very physical and emotional and does take it toll on you and your body and I know you soldiered you way thru it and hope you had family and friends every step of the way. Blessing to you You always have a voice here don't be shy. Take care. Gus
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Maj Dale Smith
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Please go to your Area Defense Council (ADC) at the JAGs office. What has occured to you is not an article 15 offense but an Article 32 which would be desertion. It sounds like you have an excellent defense, but your ADC would be best for your defense. Show him all the paperwork that has been generated since your miscarriage to include any medical reports. Talk to your first sgt about the situation and look for your ADC at the Batallion or Brigade level. Since you are in the Nat'l Guard, you may have to travel to your State Capitol where the State Adjutent General's office is located.
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