Posted on Jan 6, 2016
SPC(P) Delcina Myers
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UPDATE 02/12/2021

WOW! This thread really blew up! And people are still commenting (some ruthless) for the past 5 years, so an official update and hopefully this thread dies down, like, completely.

I finally obtained an IST after a year of trying. State of Indiana never sent my paperwork to Missouri, so I had to call IG to figure out what was going on (that's how I found out that Indiana never sent my paperwork - I wasn't showing up on Missouris' roster, and Indiana wasn't showing me on theirs either, just that I had been discharged from Indiana NG). 3 weeks after the phone call, I was officially in the Missouri ARNG. I drilled faithfully for the remaining 4-5 years, and ETS'd in February 2020. I also had a hysterectomy that same month, and I do feel much better now. The previous November I had my miracle baby, as you can read in the update following this one. He is now 15 months old, and my pride and joy.

To clear the air a bit: No, I was NOT receiving pay while I was AWOL - that comment meant I didn't want to lose the money I COULD BE EARNING while drilling faithfully.

I plead my case to my Commander, 1SG, PS and new SL (he was team leader before this stupid mishap). The NCO that told me I was being discharge DID own up to his mistake. A case of mistaken identity (there was another girl in the unit that it was meant for - we looked a lot alike. A unit of that size, I can understand the mistake, however, I guess I should have stated who I was and maybe all of this wouldn't have happened). Also with that being said, I was never previously discharged before, so I didn't know about the paperwork needing to be signed. ALSO with that note, I still haven't received anything about my recent discharge/ETS as of yet, and it has been a year.

Since I had paperwork with me upon my return, it helped my case. Everything from the miscarriage until my doctors release. After the miscarriage, I did supply my unit with a doctors note - that must have been lost in a pile and never submitted, therefore my unit couldn't process an "in-house medical leave" as some could call it, profile, whatever the case. My then Squad leader didn't even pass on the message of my being in the hospital after my miscarriage, as it was the Friday before drill. One would think he would have the brain capacity to do so - no.

I had a very large fibroid on my uterus. I lost my baby when I was 14 weeks pregnant, but registering as I was almost 20 weeks pregnant. 2 weeks prior to the miscarriage, the tumor, as I called it, and the baby were fighting each other for survival. For those who don't understand fibroids, it's basically a mass of cells (benign, non cancerous) that survives off of blood flow, and so does a baby/fetus. The tumor was dying, and so it was trying to fight to survive. It caused excruciating pain, almost paralyzing pain, and honestly, the way Indianas' healthcare system is set up, I couldn't receive the treatment I needed. I had already known about the fibroid a good 3 years prior to this, and upon being assigned a General MD (until 36 weeks pregnant, then the pregnant woman gets referred to an OB/GYN for the remainder of her pregnancy - no choosing a doctor in this instance), but no one was listening to me when I stated that I would be high risk until it was too late. Due to this nature, my uterus wasn't shrinking like a normal one would - prolonging my healing. I did communicate with my SL during this time, he would say "Just keep me posted", not knowing he wasn't passing the message on. Finally I received release paperwork from my doctor, and I immediately went straight to my unit to give them said paperwork, and that is when the NCO told me the "bad news". I was being discharged. So, what I'm curious about, is why you all say I should have given them my phone number or address after being told about the "discharge"? In my mind, I was getting out. No need for future correspondence. Thank god for Facebook, huh? A non-acceptable form of communication really did work out in the end. I honestly don't know why it took the new SL to get ahold of me, I still wonder to this day, but I'm honestly not going to lose sleep over it.

Times were getting tough for us, my then boyfriend/now Husband relocating for work, and us not knowing anyone, no babysitter for the older kids caused us to move to Missouri so we could be with my aging father and take care of him/him take care of us kind of deal. I didn't think giving my old unit my new forwarding address or phone number mattered, as I "thought" I was being discharged. However, if all that didn't happen, I do believe I would still be in that wretched state (can you guys tell I despise Indiana? I was born there, moved her to Missouri in 1996, and moved to Indiana to be close to my biological dad after my mom passed in 2013, AND hopefully get free of my abusive ex-husband (yes, it worked), where I met my current husband). Ironically, 2 weeks prior to our move to Indiana, I ran into my PS at the restaurant I worked at, and he didn't even seem to know about my miscarriage (which should have thrown flags up by his confused look) and he DID come back for me once he realized I was still on their roster, however we had already moved at that time. So yes, he did try.

SOOO... I think that sums it up.

PLEASE, for all things holy, do not respond to this thread.. It is very old, and it gets tiring repeating myself to new comments (which, hopefully with this update being first on the list, you guys won't need to comment).

Was I a crappy soldier? I don't think so. I always did what was asked of me, within reason. Did I stop caring after being AWOL for a year and coming back? Yes. I know I probably didn't "deserve" respect, perse as far what had happened, but there should be a line as to how to treat a soldier no matter what their APFT score is, their height/weight, etc. Some of the leadership in that unit really sucked, and some of those leaders treated others like shite no matter their stance in the unit....

For instance: a PV2 that never had a passing PT test was able to be team leader before a SPC. Doesn't make sense, does it? I'm not sure what the term is... Hazing, maybe? Bullying definitely. Belittling in front of others, etc. that happened quite a bit. Thats not professionalism. So yes, I stopped caring. Because I was the target. From my own squad leader. No matter what had happened, I didn't deserve that. I could have easily taken a dishonorable being so many states away, but I didn't. I went back and tried my hardest to be a good soldier, 12 hour drive one way. There was even a time that I VOLUNTEERED to be on door guard duty for someone so s/he could use the latrine and get something to eat, to NOT be released the entire day and watching all the other platoons and companies of the Battalion be released to go home. No relief. I got a phone call when I was on my way home asking where I was at, and that "You weren't relieved of your duties, you need to come back" My response? "We were released" to be told "No, the unit was released. You were not." Shit ass unit. Sorry for my language. Once I got my IST I never looked back. Even my new unit had to un-f*ck my paperwork that was sent over. The new unit treated me like I was family, like a unit should (IMHO).

Thank you all for reading the new update. Things are going very well for me. So well in fact, that an injury I sustained in BCT/AIT 14 years ago is now being reviewed for VA Disability. Tinnitus was approved, just waiting on the others.



UPDATE 11/15

Since so many people have been responding to this 3 year old thread, and not really reading updated comments, here is an official update:

So, when I returned to my old unit, I have medical documentation, and also provided insight on the miscarriage and baby as well. He would’ve been born with Trisomy 13, which also gives a short life span as well, so in my eyes the miscarriage is kind of a blessing. My commander and 1SG were informed of what happened, made copies of my medical documents, and asked what I wanted. I requested to stay in (since I was originally looking at a hardship discharge due to the pregnancy in the first place, since I was no longer pregnancy and physically/mentally stable, I requested to stay in). At this time, I had an actual discharge packet at state for being unsat, and my CO informed me that if she could pull it then she will, but if not then it would go through and I would receive a general discharge. The following Monday I received an email stating that she successfully pulled the packet.

From then on (that is January 2016) until August, I continued to drive 12 hours one way to drill; I had to miss in July due to family reasons, but I’m August I went up early to make up the July drill. When I was an hour away, I called to make sure someone would be there, so I could sleep in the armory. At this time, I was asked if I wanted to do an IST, I said yes. I was also informed that my July drill had been excused (more non communication from my CoC- go figure). That following September, I was drilling with a new unit in my current HOR state. That unit was scheduled to deploy to Cuba the following summer. I wanted to go. However, my transfer wasn’t complete at that time, come to find out, Indiana has discharged me from their records (so Missouri could pick me up), but never sent the paperwork. From July until September 2017, I was in Limbo - not actively drilling because “I didn’t exist” in ANY states records. I called IG, and within 3 weeks I was on the roster to a different unit (the one I was trying to deploy with had already left, so I found another unit). Currently still in said unit, and on good drilling status.

Since I couldn’t go to Cuba in 2017, there was another unit scheduled to deploy May of this year to Kuwait. I wanted to go as well. And my name was actually on the roster to deploy.

Why didn’t I?

I found out I was pregnant in february; and on 11/3 I delivered a healthy, beautiful baby boy. My miracle finally happened! I had a rough beginning of pregnancy, when I was 6 weeks I went to the ER due to severe cramping (thought I was having a miscarriage again); doctor said it was a blighted ovum (Empty sac) because my HCG/PH levels weren’t as high as they should’ve been. So I went home, waiting to pass the fetus. A week went by, and still nothing.

Come to find out, I was a week behind. So instead of being 6 weeks at that time, I was actually 5 weeks. I still have the tumor, and in the spring time everything will be taken out.

And yes, the fibroid has and still is registering me as pregnant, by the measurement guide. When I was pregnant, I started out measuring at 12 weeks; towards the end I was only a week ahead (measuring).

No, I was not receiving pay while I was absent, and the “warrant” for my arrest was a ploy to get me back, which he didn’t have to threaten with and lie about. I would’ve been back to drill that May if they had informed me of my actual status; but honestly, why would I keep in communication with a unit that is discharging me, and telling me I no longer have to show up? In my eyes, I was done. That unit wasn’t my favorite, so I’m not gonna go back and talk to people like they were my teachers from High School, post graduation.

I had a miscarriage last January, and by not healing quick enough my former Readiness NCO told me that I was being discharged (In April). This past December, My "new" squad leader had gotten ahold of me via Facebook and let me know what was going on, if I didn't show up then I was going to be arrested, et cetera.

What I don't understand, is why didn't my platoon sergeant tell me that I was still on the roster when I saw him in August? I have moved two states away since then, and now I have to travel 12+hours to go to drill.

I need help, I don't know what to do, say, et cetera. I'm in the National Guard, and I was told long ago that article 15 can't be given to National Guard soldiers due to just being one weekend a month. Honestly, I'm scared. I waited a long time to get E4, and I don't want to lose it, nor my pay because I'm hurting as it is.

Any questions, just ask. But I really need advice. I plan on showing up for drill, and I don't want to be discharged, but a part of me thinks this is a set up to arrest me, which apparently there is a warrant for my arrest, and I don't know how to look that up either.

Thankyou.
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PO2 Amanda Morgan
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Time to be a big girl and show up... You're only making it worse by waiting it out and now since you know you are AWOL it will most defeniatly be used against you... If you get arrested fight it in court because social media posts winning sympathy will not help...
I'm really not trying to be mean just trying to be honest
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SN Terry Poynter
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To answer, Yes You can. Will you be convicted? Unknown.
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SSG David Kaelin
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Does she have the "discharge" in writing?

If not, can she obtain it.

Does she have anything in writing?
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SPC(P) Delcina Myers
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Ok... I've only read over about 20 responses... to clear the air, in April I was told I was being discharged... since when is it my responsibility to tell them that I had moved when I wasn't "enlisted", or so I thought?

It took me a long time to get e4 because of my prior unit, all e4 slots were full.

And lastly, sergeants, ladies and gentlemen, if you have any questions, message me directly. Please don't post on here asking questions about me like I am not. It's actually rude. Thank you.

Oh, lastly, I am still in my unit, working on an IST. I am still a specialist, and all my debts were paid in January. Thank you all for your concerns.
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CMDCM Gene Treants
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Not to be "rude" SPC(P) Delcina Myers, but you came here 5 months ago and posted a question asking for advice. Since then, I see no posts from you until now. The people who took time to post here were concerned about you and not being rude, IMO. If you do not want advise, do not ask for it, Service members, Vets, and even Retirees seek to coach and assist many times.

All you had to do to end the discussion was catch to RP Community up on where you were in life, Thanks!
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SGT David Petree
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contact your unite ! get the low down from the full NCO, 1st Sgt, & or the Co. And by all means DON`T miss Drill. Get a statement from your Doctor . about your conduction. Also see about a trans fur to a Unite near where u live now.
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LCpl Ground Radio Repairer
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Well. In life sometimes you just have to face the music. I would go to drill and listen carefully to what charges are presented to you and request a court martial and hire a personal lawyer if it's a serious case. Or if they offer to keep it in house, like an njp, (office hours? Not sure what your term is,) then simply take the reduction.
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LT James Fox
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First off, sorry for your loss and the troubles you went through. I know it is not easy. My wife dealt with that a long time ago.
As a unit CO and XO, even though it was in the Navy Reserves, I can see both sides. First, the NCO was in the wrong stating you were going to be discharged. In the Navy that is not left up to our NCO's to tell a sailor that. There is a complete process for discharge, and usually it is to the IRR if you are still obligated, and it just doesn't happen that fast and without the proper authority approving it. Second, where was the leadership in the unit when she didn't show up for the next drill? When I had sailors that didn't show up I didn't have to get involved at the beginning. I had E5's through E7's calling to find out where this person was. If needed I would approve to have someone go out to there home if they lived close enough. We also have your responsibility. Now, I am not sure how long you have been in, but in "most" cases military members know what procedures are. And, if you NCO told you something you felt was not right, you have the right to to verify that information. Maybe the NCO didn't want you in the unit and said that just so you would not come to drill then place the blame on you.
I am sure you can come up with all sorts of scenarios for this. If it was my unit, I would get that sailor back, have a good talking to them and find out what they intend to do in the future, stay or get out. If they choose to stay I would see what I could do to get UA's removed, modified or whatever so they would not adversely effect the record. I would not do an article 15. I would place an administrative remark (we call a page 13) in their local record. Then if they decide to not show up again, they would be history.
I know at times the Army can be tougher on stuff like this. Hopefully there is enough leniency and you can stay in and keep your E4. May take some time to pick up E5 though. Good luck and yes, if needed, contact a JAG.
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SSgt Christophe Murphy
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Unless you have your Dd214 in hand you are still on the books. Bottom line. Go directly to legal and speak to them. Talking on here won't do you much good other than hear people say you were naive.
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PO3 Jonas M.
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My suggestion is to go and face the music. A soldier takes responsibility for their actions, is mature and honest about it.

Things will only get worse by hiding from them.

Contact JAG / Legal and talk to them, before going. Let them know what happened and find out the best way to move forward. That is what they are there for.

My own two cents of advice. Don't ever expect a platoon leader to reach out to you. Always communicate with them and be proactive. Call them on a regular basis and keep them advised. If you can't get a hold of them, go one step up and communicate with them.

Good luck to you.
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SSG Brian MacBain
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SPC Gasho, if you did not receive your discharge papers (DD form 214 I believe) you did not get discharged. It is your responsibility to get the discharge papers. As for the PSG, maybe he/she did not know. As 1SG Jerry Healy stated, sounds like crummy leadership. However, since you now know you are still on the roster, my advise to you is to get in contact with your PSG and report in ASAP with your unit. Also, you need to step up, grow up and take responsibility and report to your local PD and tell them there is a warrant for your arrest. I would do this after you get in contact with your unit and get this matter solve. This will show that you have taken responsibility and want to get it fixed. That way would be better then a knock on the door. I believe it is 50% the unit fault and 50% yours.
It really sounds like your unit leadership is piss poor. Also wanted to say that sorry for your miscarriage. Last thing, get a good lawyer.
After reading some comments, why are you getting paid when you have NOT shown up for drills? You can bet that you are probably not promotable anymore, so you might want to remove that (P). Also, might want to change the SPC to PV2. You are scared because you got caught and want us to feel sorry for you. Not going to happen.
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