Posted on Jan 6, 2016
SPC(P) Delcina Myers
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UPDATE 02/12/2021

WOW! This thread really blew up! And people are still commenting (some ruthless) for the past 5 years, so an official update and hopefully this thread dies down, like, completely.

I finally obtained an IST after a year of trying. State of Indiana never sent my paperwork to Missouri, so I had to call IG to figure out what was going on (that's how I found out that Indiana never sent my paperwork - I wasn't showing up on Missouris' roster, and Indiana wasn't showing me on theirs either, just that I had been discharged from Indiana NG). 3 weeks after the phone call, I was officially in the Missouri ARNG. I drilled faithfully for the remaining 4-5 years, and ETS'd in February 2020. I also had a hysterectomy that same month, and I do feel much better now. The previous November I had my miracle baby, as you can read in the update following this one. He is now 15 months old, and my pride and joy.

To clear the air a bit: No, I was NOT receiving pay while I was AWOL - that comment meant I didn't want to lose the money I COULD BE EARNING while drilling faithfully.

I plead my case to my Commander, 1SG, PS and new SL (he was team leader before this stupid mishap). The NCO that told me I was being discharge DID own up to his mistake. A case of mistaken identity (there was another girl in the unit that it was meant for - we looked a lot alike. A unit of that size, I can understand the mistake, however, I guess I should have stated who I was and maybe all of this wouldn't have happened). Also with that being said, I was never previously discharged before, so I didn't know about the paperwork needing to be signed. ALSO with that note, I still haven't received anything about my recent discharge/ETS as of yet, and it has been a year.

Since I had paperwork with me upon my return, it helped my case. Everything from the miscarriage until my doctors release. After the miscarriage, I did supply my unit with a doctors note - that must have been lost in a pile and never submitted, therefore my unit couldn't process an "in-house medical leave" as some could call it, profile, whatever the case. My then Squad leader didn't even pass on the message of my being in the hospital after my miscarriage, as it was the Friday before drill. One would think he would have the brain capacity to do so - no.

I had a very large fibroid on my uterus. I lost my baby when I was 14 weeks pregnant, but registering as I was almost 20 weeks pregnant. 2 weeks prior to the miscarriage, the tumor, as I called it, and the baby were fighting each other for survival. For those who don't understand fibroids, it's basically a mass of cells (benign, non cancerous) that survives off of blood flow, and so does a baby/fetus. The tumor was dying, and so it was trying to fight to survive. It caused excruciating pain, almost paralyzing pain, and honestly, the way Indianas' healthcare system is set up, I couldn't receive the treatment I needed. I had already known about the fibroid a good 3 years prior to this, and upon being assigned a General MD (until 36 weeks pregnant, then the pregnant woman gets referred to an OB/GYN for the remainder of her pregnancy - no choosing a doctor in this instance), but no one was listening to me when I stated that I would be high risk until it was too late. Due to this nature, my uterus wasn't shrinking like a normal one would - prolonging my healing. I did communicate with my SL during this time, he would say "Just keep me posted", not knowing he wasn't passing the message on. Finally I received release paperwork from my doctor, and I immediately went straight to my unit to give them said paperwork, and that is when the NCO told me the "bad news". I was being discharged. So, what I'm curious about, is why you all say I should have given them my phone number or address after being told about the "discharge"? In my mind, I was getting out. No need for future correspondence. Thank god for Facebook, huh? A non-acceptable form of communication really did work out in the end. I honestly don't know why it took the new SL to get ahold of me, I still wonder to this day, but I'm honestly not going to lose sleep over it.

Times were getting tough for us, my then boyfriend/now Husband relocating for work, and us not knowing anyone, no babysitter for the older kids caused us to move to Missouri so we could be with my aging father and take care of him/him take care of us kind of deal. I didn't think giving my old unit my new forwarding address or phone number mattered, as I "thought" I was being discharged. However, if all that didn't happen, I do believe I would still be in that wretched state (can you guys tell I despise Indiana? I was born there, moved her to Missouri in 1996, and moved to Indiana to be close to my biological dad after my mom passed in 2013, AND hopefully get free of my abusive ex-husband (yes, it worked), where I met my current husband). Ironically, 2 weeks prior to our move to Indiana, I ran into my PS at the restaurant I worked at, and he didn't even seem to know about my miscarriage (which should have thrown flags up by his confused look) and he DID come back for me once he realized I was still on their roster, however we had already moved at that time. So yes, he did try.

SOOO... I think that sums it up.

PLEASE, for all things holy, do not respond to this thread.. It is very old, and it gets tiring repeating myself to new comments (which, hopefully with this update being first on the list, you guys won't need to comment).

Was I a crappy soldier? I don't think so. I always did what was asked of me, within reason. Did I stop caring after being AWOL for a year and coming back? Yes. I know I probably didn't "deserve" respect, perse as far what had happened, but there should be a line as to how to treat a soldier no matter what their APFT score is, their height/weight, etc. Some of the leadership in that unit really sucked, and some of those leaders treated others like shite no matter their stance in the unit....

For instance: a PV2 that never had a passing PT test was able to be team leader before a SPC. Doesn't make sense, does it? I'm not sure what the term is... Hazing, maybe? Bullying definitely. Belittling in front of others, etc. that happened quite a bit. Thats not professionalism. So yes, I stopped caring. Because I was the target. From my own squad leader. No matter what had happened, I didn't deserve that. I could have easily taken a dishonorable being so many states away, but I didn't. I went back and tried my hardest to be a good soldier, 12 hour drive one way. There was even a time that I VOLUNTEERED to be on door guard duty for someone so s/he could use the latrine and get something to eat, to NOT be released the entire day and watching all the other platoons and companies of the Battalion be released to go home. No relief. I got a phone call when I was on my way home asking where I was at, and that "You weren't relieved of your duties, you need to come back" My response? "We were released" to be told "No, the unit was released. You were not." Shit ass unit. Sorry for my language. Once I got my IST I never looked back. Even my new unit had to un-f*ck my paperwork that was sent over. The new unit treated me like I was family, like a unit should (IMHO).

Thank you all for reading the new update. Things are going very well for me. So well in fact, that an injury I sustained in BCT/AIT 14 years ago is now being reviewed for VA Disability. Tinnitus was approved, just waiting on the others.



UPDATE 11/15

Since so many people have been responding to this 3 year old thread, and not really reading updated comments, here is an official update:

So, when I returned to my old unit, I have medical documentation, and also provided insight on the miscarriage and baby as well. He would’ve been born with Trisomy 13, which also gives a short life span as well, so in my eyes the miscarriage is kind of a blessing. My commander and 1SG were informed of what happened, made copies of my medical documents, and asked what I wanted. I requested to stay in (since I was originally looking at a hardship discharge due to the pregnancy in the first place, since I was no longer pregnancy and physically/mentally stable, I requested to stay in). At this time, I had an actual discharge packet at state for being unsat, and my CO informed me that if she could pull it then she will, but if not then it would go through and I would receive a general discharge. The following Monday I received an email stating that she successfully pulled the packet.

From then on (that is January 2016) until August, I continued to drive 12 hours one way to drill; I had to miss in July due to family reasons, but I’m August I went up early to make up the July drill. When I was an hour away, I called to make sure someone would be there, so I could sleep in the armory. At this time, I was asked if I wanted to do an IST, I said yes. I was also informed that my July drill had been excused (more non communication from my CoC- go figure). That following September, I was drilling with a new unit in my current HOR state. That unit was scheduled to deploy to Cuba the following summer. I wanted to go. However, my transfer wasn’t complete at that time, come to find out, Indiana has discharged me from their records (so Missouri could pick me up), but never sent the paperwork. From July until September 2017, I was in Limbo - not actively drilling because “I didn’t exist” in ANY states records. I called IG, and within 3 weeks I was on the roster to a different unit (the one I was trying to deploy with had already left, so I found another unit). Currently still in said unit, and on good drilling status.

Since I couldn’t go to Cuba in 2017, there was another unit scheduled to deploy May of this year to Kuwait. I wanted to go as well. And my name was actually on the roster to deploy.

Why didn’t I?

I found out I was pregnant in february; and on 11/3 I delivered a healthy, beautiful baby boy. My miracle finally happened! I had a rough beginning of pregnancy, when I was 6 weeks I went to the ER due to severe cramping (thought I was having a miscarriage again); doctor said it was a blighted ovum (Empty sac) because my HCG/PH levels weren’t as high as they should’ve been. So I went home, waiting to pass the fetus. A week went by, and still nothing.

Come to find out, I was a week behind. So instead of being 6 weeks at that time, I was actually 5 weeks. I still have the tumor, and in the spring time everything will be taken out.

And yes, the fibroid has and still is registering me as pregnant, by the measurement guide. When I was pregnant, I started out measuring at 12 weeks; towards the end I was only a week ahead (measuring).

No, I was not receiving pay while I was absent, and the “warrant” for my arrest was a ploy to get me back, which he didn’t have to threaten with and lie about. I would’ve been back to drill that May if they had informed me of my actual status; but honestly, why would I keep in communication with a unit that is discharging me, and telling me I no longer have to show up? In my eyes, I was done. That unit wasn’t my favorite, so I’m not gonna go back and talk to people like they were my teachers from High School, post graduation.

I had a miscarriage last January, and by not healing quick enough my former Readiness NCO told me that I was being discharged (In April). This past December, My "new" squad leader had gotten ahold of me via Facebook and let me know what was going on, if I didn't show up then I was going to be arrested, et cetera.

What I don't understand, is why didn't my platoon sergeant tell me that I was still on the roster when I saw him in August? I have moved two states away since then, and now I have to travel 12+hours to go to drill.

I need help, I don't know what to do, say, et cetera. I'm in the National Guard, and I was told long ago that article 15 can't be given to National Guard soldiers due to just being one weekend a month. Honestly, I'm scared. I waited a long time to get E4, and I don't want to lose it, nor my pay because I'm hurting as it is.

Any questions, just ask. But I really need advice. I plan on showing up for drill, and I don't want to be discharged, but a part of me thinks this is a set up to arrest me, which apparently there is a warrant for my arrest, and I don't know how to look that up either.

Thankyou.
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SGT Mark Wiles
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I feel for you on your medical issue, my ex-wife had three miscarriages before our eventual divorce. But according to your story, you stated you didn't want to lose your rank or pay as you are already hurting as it is. Can I take that to mean you've been getting paid this whole time? If that is the case, you should have known that you weren't discharged, and what made you think it was ok to move two states over when you knew you were still getting paid? Sounds like you are regretting joining in the first place and not truly sorry for your predicament.
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Your best bet would be to seek legal advice from JAG. I wouldn't be too worried about an article 15 if I were in your shoes. I would be more worried about a dishonorable discharge.
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SSG Jeffrey Monk
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Yep, rank is the least of her worries.
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CPT Morris Carter
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Most NG units don't give Dishonorable s they like to use General Discharge, most recruiters in most states can wave the magic wand and make them go away and keep your past rank in the process. If you were busted down to E-2, after a short time in a new unit you can be advances back up if there are openings in your MOS.
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Thanks for the update. I am sorry for the distress this caused you and all you went through. Having been an IG for the National Guard, I'm not surprised. There are lots of "leaders" in the Guard that aren't really that attuned to military leadership and taking care of their troops. They often think more like civilian employers and want to punish you for not showing up for work without regard for the circumstances. It sounds as if you finally got it sorted. My advice to all is that when the bureaucracy has obviously gotten it wrong (and they never admit it) go to the IG. Their job is to sort this kind of stuff out. And to those who correctly pointed out the mistakes made, don't forget that when you were a young, and particularly part-time soldier, you didn't have the knowledge of the system or the resources t chase it down. You rely on the 1SG, Admin NCO, Platoon Sergeant to sort it out. When they fail you, you don't have much of a chance. Use the IG. They are pros and senior and will make sure the system does right by you. Good luck with the beautiful new baby and your life as a proud NG soldier. I, like you, am a soldier for life!
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SPC(P) Delcina Myers
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Thankyou Sir!
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Sorry to hear about your loss .

1SG Healy described my sentiments. With that said, if you are a drilling NG person, you are not subject to Article 15 unless you received Title 10 orders and did not show up for the mission. However, if you never got the orders, or the unit did not send them with return receipt, you may have a defensible argument to avoid an article 15. I emphasize the word "may" because you "may not". As warrants for being non participant, I never heard of it, unless you had gone AWOL during active duty. However, I recall during my days as CPT and MAJ, that I went with the First Sergeant/NCOICs to the homes of some of the 'no-shows' or I would send one of my soldiers who worked for the local police to serve the no-shows the love letter to come back to the unit or resign.

Given that it appears that your chain of command may have failed to follow up with you during every Battle assembly, you also bear the responsibility of being a soldier by showing up to duty. Even if you don't get a call from your NCO, you have the duty to tell your unit about your relocations and your hardships to merit an excused absence. If you don't tell the unit, how do you expect the chain of command to know that you moved to another state?

I am surprised that your NG state already has not discharged you for being a program non-participant. If you did not call to get an excused absence, the unit can separate you from service administratively and you get a discharge categorized as "under other than honorable". In addition to a separation, you may required to pay back a portion of any bonuses you received upon enlistment, depending on how much time you had left on your contract.

Your options... start showing up to drill, and seek a transfer to a unit closer to your new home (you will not be arrested, unless you did something to deserve that, and didn't bother to disclose it above). Talk to a retention NCO to figure out your options to move another NG unit in another state. As you get a 'fresh start' with another unit, make yourself accountable, even when your superiors don't seem to care. Perhaps you are smart enough to replace them in the future.
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CPL James Miller
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You cannot be this dumb!!!
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SSG Tim Coley
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I call Bullshit on this as a soldier you must take time to keep up with your own business because no one else will I delt with the same stuff these new generation of soldiers wants everyone but themselves to take care of their business you can't fix stupid so glad I retired i got so sick of getting my ass chewed on by upper leadership because of these pansy ass kids today
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SSG Jeffrey Monk
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To true. My sister still bitches about it and she is Air Force dealing with the same issues.
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PO2 Jim Hopper
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One thing I've learned is that you are responsible for your own career not anyone else you can't rely on other people to render accurate info to you and expect it to happen "attention to detail" is what every service member is taught right? I wish you luck.
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Cpl Brad MarkW
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I have been in law enforcement for over 20 years and I rarely take any statement by anyone at face value - there's always two sides to the story. So I try to look at the facts you've provided, and leave the emotions out it. The loss of a child is a tragedy, but for me, the tone of your posting says it all - for example, "and by not healing quick enough my former Readiness NCO told me that I was being discharged". I seriously doubt your healing time has anything to do with your current troubles. There's a reason they throw the book at some service members and not others. One of those reasons is to remove problem cases; healing time is not one of those. In your post, I see a little bit of sarcasm, a little bit of facetiousness all rolled into one statement that tries to convey, "It's not my fault". Your squad leader got a hold of you on Facebook? Why didn't he call, or email - my guess it's because you probably changed those, several times and didn't tell your command, and that was his/her last option. It's good you have time to check your FB profile but not call in and tell them you've moved, or update them on you're current health situation? You know, communicate?

My guess is they are processing you out because you're not serious about your reserve commitment. Sounds like you've been treating your reserve commitment rather loosely. You're a soldier when it's convenient, not when you're supposed to be. If your fellow soldiers can't rely on you to be deploy-able, operationally ready or otherwise up on your training, why do you deserve to stay in? They aren't going to arrest you; they can't arrest you. Unless of course you've done something else criminally related. A police department may have contacted your command and found out when you are supposed to come in. But the military is not going to charge you with any UCMJ offense.
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Sgt Tammy Wallace
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Ooh Rah, Devil Dog! Well said!
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SSG Jeffrey Monk
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That's why there should be one standard. For those on active duty the regs are the same Army, Navy, Marine and Air Force. Army National Guard and Reservist go to Basic Training and AIT along with Active Duty. They go through military schools like Airborne and Ranger School. One standard and one set of rules. That would clear this mess up real quick.
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Lt Col Robert Van Hee
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It doesn't sound to me like you have been very seriously engaged in this all along. From April to December, 8 months went by, and you never followed up on your status? Having said that, you shouldn't make another move until you talk to a JAG. You need to find out what your options are for continuing service, and then do exactly what you are told to do. Take this seriously.
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Actually she will probably need to consult a civilian attorney as she is National Guard and this is a Civil issue not an UCMJ issue because all charges would be under the state code covering the guard.
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David Martinez
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For starters you should have received paperwork stating you were in fact discharged!
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CMDCM Gene Treants
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How and where if the unit does no t know where she is? Just asking.
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