Posted on Jan 12, 2019
Can jump status be pulled for failing a PT test?
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My new 1SG has informed the company that he will be terminating jump statuses for all APFT failures. Is this something he can do? Where can I find a list of requirements to maintain jump status?
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I’m fine no worries for me. Our new 1SG is just very against regulations, I don’t wish to violate his privacy in this post. However he has been proven to bend or make up regulations frequently. But the company as a whole, to include team/Squad leaders of mine, can not find answers on if that’s something he has the authority to do.
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Maj Rob Drury
SPC (Join to see) What the hell is happening to the military? When I entered, you were nothing more than US government property; a resource to be used as Uncle Sam and his appointed authorities saw fit. By the time I left, service members had all kinds of "rights." If they didn't like the way they were treated, or Heaven forbid, were expected to maintain any sort of performance standard, they just wrote a note to the IG and had their commander fried. Does mission readiness and effectiveness even matter any more?
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Maj Rob Drury
It matters highly to myself. As does the rules and regulations this army was built on. I am certain you as well expect those standards to be upheld by all service members.
It matters highly to myself. As does the rules and regulations this army was built on. I am certain you as well expect those standards to be upheld by all service members.
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Yes; under Para 1-31 of AR 600-8-22, c (b), The Commander (at the 1SGs recommendation) can sideline you until you meet the standard. The commander can also start the revocation of your Airborne Badge process if you fail to maintain the standard and are terminated from airborne status.
In 30 years of service I never failed an APFT regardless of whether I was sick, or stove up (of course I can now predict the weather better than a meteorologist according to how bad my knees, back and neck ache).
In 30 years of service I never failed an APFT regardless of whether I was sick, or stove up (of course I can now predict the weather better than a meteorologist according to how bad my knees, back and neck ache).
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AR 40-501
5–5. Medical fitness standards for retention for Airborne duty, Ranger duty, and Special Forces duty
Retention of an individual in Airborne duty, Ranger duty, and Special Forces duty will be based on—
a. His or her continued demonstrated ability to perform satisfactorily his or her duty as an Airborne officer or enlisted Soldier, Ranger, or Special Forces member.
b. The effect upon the individual's health and well-being by remaining on Airborne, Ranger, or Special Forces duty.
That is a tremendous amount of leeway to pull someone's jump status. Failure of the APFT would not be performing their duties satisfactorily as an Airborne Soldier.
I am still of the belief worrying about one's jump status should be the least of concerns when failing the APFT.
5–5. Medical fitness standards for retention for Airborne duty, Ranger duty, and Special Forces duty
Retention of an individual in Airborne duty, Ranger duty, and Special Forces duty will be based on—
a. His or her continued demonstrated ability to perform satisfactorily his or her duty as an Airborne officer or enlisted Soldier, Ranger, or Special Forces member.
b. The effect upon the individual's health and well-being by remaining on Airborne, Ranger, or Special Forces duty.
That is a tremendous amount of leeway to pull someone's jump status. Failure of the APFT would not be performing their duties satisfactorily as an Airborne Soldier.
I am still of the belief worrying about one's jump status should be the least of concerns when failing the APFT.
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Just read this question and the posts. Some really good answers so far. As you can plainly see, your focus should be on passing the PT test. You say your PT isn't an issue but that's obviously not true. I'll give you my answer as a Company Commander. If a soldier doesn't pass the APFT they can expect to receive no favorable action. Zero. Go ahead and keep looking up regulations. At the end of the day, everyone who sees your question sees it coming from someone who has failed the APFT and is upset about it. They will stop there. The ability to get back on jump status is in your hands, not some regulation.
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Don’t think too have that type of power they can flag you and put you on a pt program to help you to pass your pt test
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I would like to add another comment on this. Your rank is Specialist. That is not just a meaningless name of a rank. Here is a very comprehensive definition of what a specialist is: "One who has acquired knowledge and skills through study and practice over the years, in a particular field or subject, to the extent that his or her opinion may be helpful in fact finding, problem solving, or understanding of a situation." Do you think that you fit the bill?
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I absolutely do minus the Years part. Not in today’s army you can’t ride your rank out. I love this site because when you’ve exhausted all options this is where you d SPC and NCO’s can come to discus answers and theory’s. It’s a shame this place has changed into a US vs THEM environment. It should be a positive tool to assist with military information gathering at any level. Would t you agree?
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SPC Mara Manzer (Spurgin)
SPC (Join to see) I think that it is up to us all to select the information that is the most helpful and constructive.
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Well SPC Dirt Bag pass you APFT so that type of decision wouldn't have to be made you substandard mouth breather!!!
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Absolutely. You already run the risk of knee injury. If not in shape it's negligence on their part to alllow you to jump
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I'm sorry but this is hilarious and why I am commissioning. I cannot deal with this type of special
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1LT (Join to see) trust me on the officer side you have to then do the paperwork.....not always greener on the other side.
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Reading is a powerful tool. All I will say to that is that failure to gather information leads to failure as a whole. Thomas Sowell states it takes considerable knowledge to realize the extent of your own ignorance. As previously stated I have no problems with passing a PT test. My problem is finding the aforementioned list as well as knowing the authority of my 1SG with more soldiers in TDS/IG/Chaplin than anyone ever thought imaginable.
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CSM Richard StCyr
AR 350-1, AR 600-8-22, DOD Manual 1348.33-M and the numerous supported regulations listed in the back of each, refer to the standards for acquiring and maintaining Airborne Status.
The authority of your 1SG and NCOs is outlined in AR 600-20 c 2 para 2-18 -2-20. and the myriad of supporting regulations listed at the rear of the pub.
Remember there is a reason that there exists the saying "Diamonds are Trump" your 1SG administers or supervises nearly every program for the Commander, advises the Commander and executes the Commanders intent. You as a SPC should be worried about what a SGT and SSG are responsible for and seek to be trained at those levels as you by regulation, practicality, and numerous recent historic examples could find yourself holding the bag as a Team or Squad Leader.
The authority of your 1SG and NCOs is outlined in AR 600-20 c 2 para 2-18 -2-20. and the myriad of supporting regulations listed at the rear of the pub.
Remember there is a reason that there exists the saying "Diamonds are Trump" your 1SG administers or supervises nearly every program for the Commander, advises the Commander and executes the Commanders intent. You as a SPC should be worried about what a SGT and SSG are responsible for and seek to be trained at those levels as you by regulation, practicality, and numerous recent historic examples could find yourself holding the bag as a Team or Squad Leader.
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