Posted on Apr 22, 2017
Can male soldiers wear lipstick, earrings and ripped clothes while off duty, but on post?
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Had an interesting moment where in a soldier had me direct dial his BN CMD while correcting him about him wearing black lipstick, earrings, finger jewlery and ripped pants.
The CMD informed me I needed to read the regulations, which I have done so.
As far as I've read and know, there has been no update that allows male soldiers to wear this off-duty while on post.
The CMD informed me I needed to read the regulations, which I have done so.
As far as I've read and know, there has been no update that allows male soldiers to wear this off-duty while on post.
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A few years ago you were right, but now, especially with the new secdef with sex change paid for and all other weird things, I would not be surprised if it is made official that men can dress and look like women in the Army! thank god for the marines! if a Marine was dressed like that off duty I do believe he would have an instant "attitude" adjustment as they call it.
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I know it has been a couple of generations since I was on active duty so excuse some of my terminology if it isn't what is in current use, but I think you will get the gist. The military has been the entity that creates the climate where soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines start believing that regs only apply in certain situations. Here is my example and my pet peeve. When I was in, if we were traveling in uniform, using public transportation,, we had to travel in our dress uniform. Now, go to the airport and you see all the service's traveling in BDUs. If we lived off base we could only wear our dungarees in our car (or on a motorcycle) to our residence. No stopping, not even for gas. Now, go to Wal-Mart or Target or anywhere you see people walking around in BDUs. When we stood watch on the main gate we did not wear dungarees or BDUs we wore Class-A uniforms. What do you see, now? Then you expect young enlistees not to push boundaries? When senior staff and non-coms can't even be expected to represent their service in the best possible light, while in public, how can you expect those that you are supposed to be leading not to push the envelope?
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What the hell! what on earth is going on with the ARMED Forces now-a-days. Please! I'm asking all the new generation of soldiers, let's continue to remain vigilant in serving all forces with "Pride and Dignity". Let's not start to muddying the waters with foolish questions/idea, for we do not want this to become a reality while serving behind the line, especially during times when soldiers are actually covering each others back in worn torn countries. Please! I'm urging whom ever to stop suggesting/bringing non-sense questions like this to any/all Military Forums.
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Male Soldiers are not authorized to wear cosmetics unless prescribed medically. However, the reg does not specifically address whether this same standard is applicable off-duty. We also know there are separate rules for personnel transitioning their gender. After a certain point, they can dress, off-duty, the way they identify. There is no specific prohibition to Male Soldiers wearing earrings off-duty as long as the earrings do not create or support ear gauging (enlarged holes in the lobe of the ear, greater than 1.6 mm). Soldiers are associated and identified with the Army in and out of uniform, and when on or off duty. Therefore, when civilian clothing is worn, Soldiers will ensure that their dress and personal appearance are commensurate with the high standards traditionally associated with Army service. Commanders are charged with determining and publishing the local civilian clothing policy. Its best to know your local Senior Commander or Garrison Commander's policies when addressing these issues, AR or DA PAM 670-1 won't have all of the specific answers. Assuming its prohibited simply because "it looks bad," in your opinion, won't hold up during an Article 15 process. TDS would have a field day with the command.
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I totally agree. To me, it’s like putting your middle finger up to the military. And when did they implement the stress relief card? So soldiers get a time out when they are being screamed at? Why!! You can’t pull that card in war nor can you do that if the work is hard that day! We really need our REAL MILITARY back. Especially when the most of them can’t take pride in what we stand for because they ONLY came for the G.I Bill. Nothing wrong with that if you recognize that the opportunity is a honor and respected by our nation.
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It'd be basass to see any size element with black lipstick on, ripped trousers, and earrings ELIMINATING a threat.
Flaming? That is flaming to YOU? Wow.
Flaming? That is flaming to YOU? Wow.
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Where I do not know what the current regulations are since the Obama administration screwed up the military and Biden is going for the death blow. Personally 25 years ago when the military had Men and Women not 197 genders, if a troop was dressed like this their EPR would have been looked at much harder. Just saying...If the UCMJ went so far as to what type of sex and positions were allowable, (Yes they were in the regs) then appearance on and off duty should be addressed as well. Just because your off duty doesn't mean your no longer in the military until the start of the next work day. Your military 24/7 365. You represent the military should DOD be sending the message that our troops are now a group of whatever you want to call them or are they the most lethal fighting force on the planet? What a shame the US Military has become, they can dress like this but Dr Suess and Speedy Gonzales are threats to the country.
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