Posted on Apr 25, 2018
Can my son fight being chaptered out after drug use and DUI?
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My son is relatively new to the army. He has made a couple of bad choices. He used an illegal drug. It seemed as though the punishment was going to be minor. But a few weeks later he was caught drinking and driving. He was told that he would be transferred to another base and put in Substance Abuse program. Now they are telling him he will probably be chaptered out. Is there anything he can do? I realize you don't know my son and as a dad I am biased but he is really a good kid. Up until these two offenses he had been doing really well. Do they have to give him a chance at rehab before they chapter him out?
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He might very well be a good kid but he’s a bad Soldier. He was given a second chance and he blew it.
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If the Soldier is an E4 or below, he may be successful in fighting that sort of chapter action. I refer you and him to the legal assistance office. However, as a leader, I can't help but wonder what his future potential for service is. Fighting this action, if he doesn't reverse course, will only prolong the inevitable.
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The problem is, he was warned continuously of the consequences of drug abuse since he DEP’d in the Army, and much more warnings once he got in.
They’re not playing when it comes to substance abuse, especially if it was more than once. He can try to see if he can fight it, but what would be his case for retention?
They’re not playing when it comes to substance abuse, especially if it was more than once. He can try to see if he can fight it, but what would be his case for retention?
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There is a zero tolerance for drugs. Likely he was on his way out for that anyway. There is a low likelihood that the one chance he did drugs was the time he popped positive.
The substance treatment is his chance to rehab but he is on his way out. What he needs is to get his life together or he is on his way to more trouble.
The substance treatment is his chance to rehab but he is on his way out. What he needs is to get his life together or he is on his way to more trouble.
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He can fight anything he wants, but that doesn't mean he will win his case. illegal drugs and a DUI? He will not win and stay in the Army. It already says a lot about your son when his parent is on here fighting for him.
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Also, just for the sake of defending my son a little. He was not a repeat user of the drug. He tried it for the first time and had a bad reaction. He panicked and thought he was dying and called his 1st Sgt. for help. Ambulance came for him. No excuse for his stupidity but this was all new to him and now he has to pay the price.
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COL William Oseles
David, if, and most likely when Your Son does get chaptered he needs to get help. Drug and Alcohol abuse are two sides of the same coin. Bad Reaction to drugs then a DUI indicates he has a problem.
Part of your Job as his Father is to recognize and accept that. Denying the problem because he is 'new to it' and a 'good kid' does not help him.
If he continues to ignore it the next time drugs or alcohol come up with him may see him charged with manslaughter, which is a distinct possibility with DUI.
Part of your Job as his Father is to recognize and accept that. Denying the problem because he is 'new to it' and a 'good kid' does not help him.
If he continues to ignore it the next time drugs or alcohol come up with him may see him charged with manslaughter, which is a distinct possibility with DUI.
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2ndLt Fulton Recepcion
If I did illegal drugs and got charged with DUI, it would be "new to me" too as I had never done either.
Again, your son had ample warnings on these offenses. Your son had a fair chance after his first offense, but made another poor choice with the DUI.
Sometimes, we have to learn the hard way for our poor choices.
Again, your son had ample warnings on these offenses. Your son had a fair chance after his first offense, but made another poor choice with the DUI.
Sometimes, we have to learn the hard way for our poor choices.
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He used an illegal drug it was using an illegal drug cause he probably did it more than once. Also to turn around and do something and getting a DUI not smart; how old is he?
Well stoping a chapter is hard and you got to prove that you are worth being in the military or that what you are accused is not true. I was chaptered out the military in 2010 for 14-12c for misconduct cause my wife lied and said I hit her but she he me and threaten me but I didn’t fight it cause it was my wife and I didn’t wanna go against her at the time. We was both deployed and she was depressed and she needed help but still didn’t make a statement against her. There was no evidence of me hitting her except her statement and I could of made the same statement but if he not guilty then in the end it will be ok. I’m notback in the military but once they start a chapter then you better start packing
Well stoping a chapter is hard and you got to prove that you are worth being in the military or that what you are accused is not true. I was chaptered out the military in 2010 for 14-12c for misconduct cause my wife lied and said I hit her but she he me and threaten me but I didn’t fight it cause it was my wife and I didn’t wanna go against her at the time. We was both deployed and she was depressed and she needed help but still didn’t make a statement against her. There was no evidence of me hitting her except her statement and I could of made the same statement but if he not guilty then in the end it will be ok. I’m notback in the military but once they start a chapter then you better start packing
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SGT Eric Davis
@david Peyton how old is he? What kind of drug?
He better beg his command to stay in or for a general discharge with at least a recode 3
He better beg his command to stay in or for a general discharge with at least a recode 3
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SPC Frank Shiffer
(Join to see) - Ask him, which do you want to do, use drugs and drink or quit and go military? If he says or acts embibing is his thing, he would be better to be mustered out. But if he says he wants to quit, tell that to the tribunal and make sure he knows if they reject his intentions, then go to the private sector for rehab. Plenty of half way places, I can refer you to some if you need. And like SGT said what kind and how much had he used? Once or twice, he didn't like it, he loved it?
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SPC Frank Shiffer - The drug he tried was a one time thing. He tried it and had a bad reaction and reached out to his First Sargent. The DUI was while he was restricted to base. He was with some buddies and one of his buddies needed a ride home and he gave it to him. That's his story. He received a General Discharge with Honorable benefits. He has been home for a month now. Trying to figure out next steps. Thanks!
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SSG Robert Perrotto
(Join to see) - I will give it you straight, Your son stepped on his crank, not with one boot (drug use) bot both boots (drug use + a DUI) - He could be the most awesome person ever, but the truth of the matter is, in the Army's eyes, he is a risk not worth taking. I, as a father, would take this opportunity to have a serious talk with my son, and teach him that choices have consequences, I commend that he called his 1SG when he had a bad reaction, but knowing that recreational drug use is a federal offense, he should have not tried it. To further compound the issue by getting a DUI, mere weeks after the first incident, sealed his fate - We parents need to stop coddling our children, we need to stop telling them that "It's not their fault" for repercussions of choices they make, it absolutely is their fault - no one had a gun to your sons head when he "tried" a drug, no one had a gun to his head when he got behind the wheel of a vehicle while under the influence of drugs or alcohol. The fact that you came here trying to salvage his career is commendable, but it is misplaced - what you should be doing is placing photos of those that have died as a result of a person driving under the influence, photos of those that have had died, in prison, or family members accountings of loved ones who have abused drugs, and the toll emotionally, physically, and spiritually it has to them.
Your son needs to take accountability for his actions, he is a grown ass adult, your job, no matter how much you love him, is to teach him that an adult takes responsibility for actions, and accepts the consequences for those actions, that life does not automatically give "second chances" , and teach him to go forward.
Your son needs to take accountability for his actions, he is a grown ass adult, your job, no matter how much you love him, is to teach him that an adult takes responsibility for actions, and accepts the consequences for those actions, that life does not automatically give "second chances" , and teach him to go forward.
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