Posted on Aug 16, 2019
Can my son get in trouble if he is told to do things against his med. profile ?
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Can my son get in trouble if he is told by a Sgt. to do things against his med. profile after a Lt. turned a gun turret while he was mounting a gun sight and it hit him, and he got a concussion?
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He will cause trouble to HIS body if he violates his medical profile. I encountered this issue during my entire 18 months stationed in Germany. I carried my profile on me at ALL times! When a senior rank (I was only a SP4), an Officer, or any outranking soldier ‘told’, even ordered me to perform a physical movement which I KNEW violated my P-3; I pulled out my paperwork, showed it to the soldier and then inquired as to whether I was actually expected to do what I had been told to do. EVERY TIME this happened, my paperwork prevailed! You can actually get in trouble for violating a P-3. The problem remains with the fact most P-3 soldiers are ‘afraid’ to question a senior ranking soldier. I served in Germany with five female soldiers. Four of my married fellow soldiers/friends became pregnant. Three of these female soldiers had miscarriage because they violated the physical constraints of their pregnancy profiles. I told them they should trust the doctor and show the senior soldier that the order was not safe for pregnancy. Unfortunately, these female soldiers were afraid of getting in trouble for not following an order. You HAVE to advocate for yourself and the doctors who placed THAT physical profile on you. Eventually, the senior soldiers in my unit came to understand I had LEGITIMATE physical limitations! However; these limitations NEVER negatively impacted my job (MOS) performance. I actually received an AAM from an Infantry LTC for my job performance. Please stand your ground without being disrespectful. Otherwise you are risking further injury to yourself and, if your Command wants you out, you CAN get into trouble for violating your profile. Good Luck!
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LCpl Sandy Moran
I don't know if you know the profile paper but he has no apft events no prt until cleared no alternate apft. #24 part C of the profile [no helmet ,body armor or load bearing equipt.] I have another question why under "mechanism of injury" they have, cause unknown? He is a Bradley driver/? His acting 1st Sgt. said no PT but he can do everything else so he follows orders Can he get in trouble?
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SFC Ralph E Kelley
I got a concussion once and for the life of me could not tell the MD what was the MOI. Unless someone saw it he may never know, "Cause Unknown".
If he violates his profile then yes he can get in more trouble along with his chain of command if they allow him to do so. I did have some soldiers that would not tell their NCOs they had a profile - until there was something they didn't want to do.
The soldier has a duty to inform his supervisors of any profile given by an MD - a profile given to him by a medic buddy that is unsigned (had few of the also) by the PA or the MD is not valid and is punishable under UCMJ.
Realistically if I had a driver with a profile for a concussion I certainly would NOT want him driving - either a military OR a civilian vehicle. When I was active twice I became the driver for two out post soldiers in my platoon. You do want you do.
If he violates his profile then yes he can get in more trouble along with his chain of command if they allow him to do so. I did have some soldiers that would not tell their NCOs they had a profile - until there was something they didn't want to do.
The soldier has a duty to inform his supervisors of any profile given by an MD - a profile given to him by a medic buddy that is unsigned (had few of the also) by the PA or the MD is not valid and is punishable under UCMJ.
Realistically if I had a driver with a profile for a concussion I certainly would NOT want him driving - either a military OR a civilian vehicle. When I was active twice I became the driver for two out post soldiers in my platoon. You do want you do.
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The thing is you are short information on what his profile is and also what the SGT told him to do. More information please.
For instance can he leave bed to go to the restroom or must he remain in bed (must be specifically stated.
For instance can he leave bed to go to the restroom or must he remain in bed (must be specifically stated.
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SPC Nancy Greene
Totally agree! Need more incofmation. The way it was stated and how I interpreted it is questionable. Hope to receive more info; however I will say to follow your profile to the letter. Make sure your Command is aware of what you can and cannot do. I guess I thought he violated the profile when he sustained the concussion.
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SFC Ralph E Kelley
If its a P3 or P4 in the 'U' or 'L' he may have to get reclassified - I'm not sure how that would change any bonus he is due. Might need to check with a retention NCO to check that. If its a Temporary profile then he needs to follow it. Did he show the person the profile? Afterwards did he speak with the persons supervisor? That would be my recommendation before I called in the heavy artillery.
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LCpl Sandy Moran
Don't want or need the artillery. Just wanted to know. His acting 1st Sgt know and some officer. That's why I was concerned, if the Doc. or officer says something. Would he be the one in trouble.
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