Posted on Sep 25, 2021
Can my unit send me to NTC if I am non-deployable due to being chaptered and not having a family care plan?
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So i just want to keep this simple and i dont want to argue, just advice.
ill go if i have to, been there once but I am confused
If i refused a FCP because my wife is enrolled in efmp and cannot drive to doctor orders until her third year of no seizures. My wife has left post due to inability to her not getting the help she needs under efmp, so we decided it was best for our son and her to go home. Meanwhile my PL has told me the intent is to not send me to NTC with the Unit. If we are going to NTC, and I am non deployable for two reasons, one for not having a FCP, and two Im getting administratively discharged doesn't that mean they CANT send me to NTC.
Does anybody have answers?
ill go if i have to, been there once but I am confused
If i refused a FCP because my wife is enrolled in efmp and cannot drive to doctor orders until her third year of no seizures. My wife has left post due to inability to her not getting the help she needs under efmp, so we decided it was best for our son and her to go home. Meanwhile my PL has told me the intent is to not send me to NTC with the Unit. If we are going to NTC, and I am non deployable for two reasons, one for not having a FCP, and two Im getting administratively discharged doesn't that mean they CANT send me to NTC.
Does anybody have answers?
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So, you're saying you can't go to NTC because your spouse and child are somewhere else?
You are not a mandatory category for a family care plan, there is also no reason to believe that you need an FCP because your spouse doesn't drive. Lots of people have spouse's who don't or can't drive.
Not having a FCP doesn't mean you can't deploy, that's for people who have nobody to take care of their children while they are deployed. There is no reason that you would be non deployable.
Whoever told you that being processed for separation means you can't go to NTC, has no idea what they're talking about. The only time you won't go to NTC is once your separation is already approved and you have your separation orders in hand.
You are not a mandatory category for a family care plan, there is also no reason to believe that you need an FCP because your spouse doesn't drive. Lots of people have spouse's who don't or can't drive.
Not having a FCP doesn't mean you can't deploy, that's for people who have nobody to take care of their children while they are deployed. There is no reason that you would be non deployable.
Whoever told you that being processed for separation means you can't go to NTC, has no idea what they're talking about. The only time you won't go to NTC is once your separation is already approved and you have your separation orders in hand.
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SFC (Join to see)
SPC Dasan Toney you might want to educate yourself at some point. Your NCOs, 1SG, and PSG do not have any authority over your separation. The military can't "gut their way into your family life" by having a family care plan. In fact, you might want to actually look up a FCP to see what it entails. You can't be kicked out by creating a family care plan when you aren't required to have one. If your Command wants to separate you, they don't need you to create a FCP, that's some barracks lawyer rationale.
As for your flag, you get flagged for separation the moment your packet is submitted. It can take months to a year to separate you, your separation can still be disapproved. Your command obviously doesn't need you to create a FCP to try to separate you since that's already happening.
Nobody is talking about your spouse having a job, we're talking about you having a job saying that you can't wait rk because your spouse can't drive. You're basically saying that because your spouse can't drive and your leadership wants you to have a FCP, you can't comply and can't be in the Army. What's your plan when you're a civilian employee? Just tell your boss you can't work? Quit if that doesn't work for your next boss? I'm sure that's a good plan to feed your family.
I've worked in combat arms and Infantry for most of my career so I get it, you think everyone is out to screw you, your NCOs have unlimited power, you're smarter than everyone else because you read a blurb somewhere in a regulation, and that you can reestablish control over your own life by making a different decision than what everyone is telling you. I get it, I see it all the time as people make bad decisions. You can literally just go and make a family care plan and (assuming that's the only reason you're being separated) continue to have a paycheck and free health care for your family. Or you can decide that you're right, we're all trying to screw you over and with out 40+ years of combined Army experience we have no clue what we're talking about, and for the rest of your life you can complain about how the Army screwed you. Personally, I put my family first and make the decisions that are in their best interest. But, it's your career, your family, and your choice
As for your flag, you get flagged for separation the moment your packet is submitted. It can take months to a year to separate you, your separation can still be disapproved. Your command obviously doesn't need you to create a FCP to try to separate you since that's already happening.
Nobody is talking about your spouse having a job, we're talking about you having a job saying that you can't wait rk because your spouse can't drive. You're basically saying that because your spouse can't drive and your leadership wants you to have a FCP, you can't comply and can't be in the Army. What's your plan when you're a civilian employee? Just tell your boss you can't work? Quit if that doesn't work for your next boss? I'm sure that's a good plan to feed your family.
I've worked in combat arms and Infantry for most of my career so I get it, you think everyone is out to screw you, your NCOs have unlimited power, you're smarter than everyone else because you read a blurb somewhere in a regulation, and that you can reestablish control over your own life by making a different decision than what everyone is telling you. I get it, I see it all the time as people make bad decisions. You can literally just go and make a family care plan and (assuming that's the only reason you're being separated) continue to have a paycheck and free health care for your family. Or you can decide that you're right, we're all trying to screw you over and with out 40+ years of combined Army experience we have no clue what we're talking about, and for the rest of your life you can complain about how the Army screwed you. Personally, I put my family first and make the decisions that are in their best interest. But, it's your career, your family, and your choice
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SPC Dasan Toney I have to go with what SFC (Join to see) and SFC Kelly Fuerhoff are preaching here. Additionally, you should consider reaching out to your local JAG because it sounds like you or some people in your AO have been given some bad info.
If you have been officially noticed for separation, contact Trial Defense Services. If you have not been noticed for anything, contact your Legal Assistance Office or Brigade Legal Office, or even the Office of the Staff Judge Advocate and request an appointment for legal advice regarding FPC and separations.
If you have been officially noticed for separation, contact Trial Defense Services. If you have not been noticed for anything, contact your Legal Assistance Office or Brigade Legal Office, or even the Office of the Staff Judge Advocate and request an appointment for legal advice regarding FPC and separations.
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SSG Dave Johnston
So how many of the commentators caught this line: "... my wife is enrolled in EFMP and cannot drive to doctor orders until her third year of no seizures."; and since it is not mentioned as to how old the child is??? leaving us to assume that some kind of 'Home Health Care professional and transportation to and from medical appointments may be needed while the soldier in deployed to NTC... The Soldier in question had to send his wife to either his or her parents for assistance with her medical condition and care for their son... Coordinating a FCP for an EFMP is a nightmare and requires constant monitoring by the sponsor and PCP to ensure that adequate care is provided. The last thing both the soldier and command need is a Red Cross message while the soldier is in the middle of the "Sand Box" informing the soldier that "_X_" has occurred and he needs to return to Ft _______ . I'm not sure if TRICARE would cover the cost of the In Home Health Care worker 24/7 while he's deployed to NTC, and having one of their family members join their household to help is a separate DEERS nightmare.
Aahh, the joys of twenty + years as "Doc", you get to learn these things.
To the Soldier, I hope your wife's condition improves, and I sorry that your time in the Army is cut short...
Aahh, the joys of twenty + years as "Doc", you get to learn these things.
To the Soldier, I hope your wife's condition improves, and I sorry that your time in the Army is cut short...
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Can your unit send you? Yes. They can. Will they? That's another question in itself. Now, your PL said the INTENT is to not send you. Intent is different from execution. You need to keep in mind that until you have your separation orders in hand, they can send you. You also need to keep in mind that missions, even an NTC rotation mission, requires a percentage of personnel to accomplish. For example, the powers that be could dictate that a Commander needs to bring at least 80% strength of the unit. That means that at least 80% of the unit need to be on the manifest and BOG to accomplish all of the tasks set forth for the rotation. Since you don't need a FCP, that is now a moot point because your wife is not present and is living at home...which I am guessing is a location where hers and/or your family is located. Therefore, she has assistance. What matters is your pending chapter and the ETA for your discharge orders to be in hand in comparison to lift off to NTC.
What you need to do....or at least what I recommend, is you have a sit down with your platoon leadership along with your Commander and 1SG to see what your status is in regards to know if you will be on the rotation manifest or not. If they say you are on the manifest, then pack your bags and prepare for 30 days in the desert box.
What you need to do....or at least what I recommend, is you have a sit down with your platoon leadership along with your Commander and 1SG to see what your status is in regards to know if you will be on the rotation manifest or not. If they say you are on the manifest, then pack your bags and prepare for 30 days in the desert box.
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SPC Dasan Toney
MSG (Join to see) oh I'm ready for that shit if I do go. I never said I wasn't. I just asked a simple question to people who may have the answer. Thanks
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MSG (Join to see)
SPC Dasan Toney - What I am saying is that you need to confirm with your Commander if you are going or not. Again, the LT saying the INTENT is to not send you. Your Commander is the only one that can give you a definitive answer.
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Are they trying to send you or not? Because you just said your PL told you the intent is to not send you.
If you're already in the process of being separated, I'm not sure why they'd send you at all. I would think you'd just stay on Rear D. But can they send you? Sure they could send you.
If you're already in the process of being separated, I'm not sure why they'd send you at all. I would think you'd just stay on Rear D. But can they send you? Sure they could send you.
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SPC Dasan Toney
Awesome that's all I needed to know. I'm asking because my wife wants to know!! Thank you! That would be all. This will be deleted soon.
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MAJ (Join to see)
I can totally see them sending him for one reason and one reason only...numbers. The Army runs off numbers and the more you have, the better the unit looks. I doubt Active duty units struggle with this as much as NG but it's definitely a real thing. We went to NTC earlier this summer and EVERYBODY went. But like I said, it was NG and our total strength was probably around 60%.
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SFC Kelly Fuerhoff
MAJ (Join to see) - That's what I was going to say since it was brought up on another thread sometimes commanders send broken people even just for numbers.
But based on this soldier's prior post...I don't think he really understands FCPs or really much of anything. Honestly.
But based on this soldier's prior post...I don't think he really understands FCPs or really much of anything. Honestly.
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