Posted on Dec 10, 2017
CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana
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Fighting against his poor and negligent leadership, on each and every step of his assignment, in almost a decade and a half of active service, an officer was errantly discharged to cover-up the mistakes of his leadership, clear thru to GOs. Fighting the system; this officer was diagnosed with PTSD. Was this diagnosis another cover-up or can PTSD develop in peacetime?
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SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth
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Yes it can, I'm an example of it.
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Chris Smith
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I have no clue if the involved officer in the OP’s diagnosis of PTSD was a coverup or not, but PTSD is by no means restricted to combat survivors, and it is found in civilian populations too. I can’t find the source at the moment, but I read somewhere once that something like 80% of all reported cases of PTSD were experienced by a civilian who had been involved in a motor vehicle accident. Whether that is true or not, PTSD definitely happens outside the context of combat-related military service.

https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/post-traumatic-stress-disorder-ptsd/index.shtml
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CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana
CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana
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Update: Based upon evidence released by the Army in 2014, the PTSD of my Comrade was caused by an EMHE ordered and conducted against my buddy in a premeditated reprisal for submitting an IG complaint against his CoC for irregular activities; a Complaint that was made eight months prior to the EMHE and in which EMHE he was interned without affording him his Due Process rights. Evidence proves that my buddy's IG complaint was compromised in a strange way that was deliberately done to share the contents of his case file to the prime implicated in that case. However, the Army is dead set on trying to bury this case using excuses, like the CO was ignorant of the law and it was an administrative error Chris Smith.
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SPC Kari Grove Wright
SPC Kari Grove Wright
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So your buddy ratted out his company. Retaliation accrued and you dont think he has ptsd? Is he diagnosed? The question of what kind of hell did he go through comes to my mind.
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LTC Operations Officer (Opso)
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CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana you can always develop post traumatic stress disorder in any situation that is traumaticly stressful. It is the in the name, combat is not in the title.
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CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana
CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana
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Agreed; the contention was that PTSD is misused to earn a disability. Perhaps true; however, patient was carefully and thoroughly evaluated by the VA. The results were boarded and then, patient was granted disability Major. There was no means of hoodwinking the process.
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SMSgt Jeff Kyle
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I have PTSD, the VA even agrees that I have it. I’ve never been in combat. I have done and seen some pretty horrific stuff over the course of my 25 years. Nightmares every night, which results in very little sleep. I’m jumpier than a long tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs. I’m easily startled, the having people directly behind me... I could go on. If you want specifics, I might reply to a PM. I’d rather not talk about any of those experiences. Talking equals remembering, which equals symptoms getting overwhelming. I don’t have enough info from your post to question whether or not the Captain was suffering from PTSD. I have come across narratives that indicate false PTSD claimed have inundated the system.
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SMSgt Jeff Kyle
SMSgt Jeff Kyle
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CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana the description of his “torture” is horrible. I think there’s more of this story that needs to be told. What you’ve described is treatment(?) for suicidal threats. It is beyond doubt one of the stupidest ways for treatment known to mankind. Your friend requires treatment that includes in residence at a VA treatment facility; if he can trust them enough to accept their treatment. I see a peer support specialist every week. I see a counselor every two to three weeks. Do they help? Yes, they do. Before I was able to get their support, I was angry at the world. I kept most of it internally. Letting out the inner Marine wouldn’t solve the problem, just make things worse. Get help in every way possible. Accept treatment options every time they offer them. Some options are quite helpful, some are just plain silly and there’s one or two that will not work. Regardless, give them a try. Without trying, the outcome is failure. Failure leads to more negativity, which creates a viscous circle that ends up very badly. As to their rating, I can’t speak for anyone else. I’ll give you what I can based on my experience. I’ve created a list that I try to follow:
1. Get an advocate. Go to one of the service officers who represent the VFW, American Legion, DAV and there’s others. Their job is to help vets. It’s their only job and it is completely free. You do not have to be a member of these organizations to get their help.
2. Have the advocate review all records; medical, dental, anything pertinent to the individual.
3. Have the advocate deliver your request for VA ratings to the VA Benefits office.
4. Go to every appointment that you may/will be scheduled for. Comp and Pen, C&P, compensation and pension are all the same. Do not miss these appointments.
5. Once you and your advocate have completed everything, paperwork wise, it’s time to wait. Do not stop going to treatment appointments. This is very important. Continuing your treatment tells the VA that you need help.
6. Do not give up. If you disagree with any part of the process, get a one-on-one meeting with your advocate. Again, do not give up.
That’s about it. There’s more that can be done, but goes outside my experience. I just can’t stress enough that you have to keep at it, do not give up. Be polite to everyone. Please and thank you are priceless.
Hope this helps.
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CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana
CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana
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SMSgt Jeff Kyle, I hear you completely and totally understand you.

VA has accepted that the ailment is acute PTSD, yet they only rated it at 50%. The doctors have concluded that improvement can only happen when the concerned Uniformed Service becomes transparent with regards to the affected Veteran's case and correct the errors. The Army is not ready to cooperate saying this chapter is closed.
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SMSgt Jeff Kyle
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CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana as i see it, there is one opportunity that can be taken but great care must be taken. Initiate a congressional investigation. Prepare a letter to each Senator and the Representative that covers the area lived in. Put forth all the facts as you know them. Make copies of pertinent records that directly cover the issue at hand. Last but not least, give them a filled out Limited Power of Attorney that allows them to look into the issues. All of this may be a bit intimidating but it is necessary in order to give the claims a thorough go-thru.
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CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana
CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana
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SMSgt Jeff Kyle, this is very much appreciated. I will draft a letter to Congressional leaders.
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SSgt Harvey "Skip" Porter
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CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana It's been proven that any traumatic event can cause PTSD. EMS workers, Police and Fireman get it. Individuals involved in traumatic accidents or other life altering events get PTSD. That's fact all one has to do is read or research it.

Peace!
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CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana
CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana
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I love you Skip; you helped me prove my point. Thanks!
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LtCol Brian Ford
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Without a doubt, YES! I suffer from it after EVERY session of the nightly news!
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CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana
CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana
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The daily news itself is no less exciting than the nightly news I would say, Sir.
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CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana
CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana
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While making fun of the PTSD from which many veterans suffer, let's not forget our compassion as leaders. A few may have flaunted the system, but then corruption by these few must not affect the forthright. Getting rid of the PTSD program is no solution to preventing against corruption. A few must not ruin it for the whole. Thanks!
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LtCol Brian Ford
LtCol Brian Ford
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Then let's get it properly defined and diagnosed. I know people that claimed it to get disability and they were never in a combat situation. If it's a valid condition with a specific cause, then let's stick to those qualifiers. I see it no differently than the handicapped parking spaces that were intended for those that had to have additional room on the side of a van to get a wheelchair out and now everyone with a doctors note for a sprained ankle gets to park in them.
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Sgt Erle Mutz
Sgt Erle Mutz
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ALL do respect LtCol - direct combat experience is not the only trigger that can cause PTSD - in or out of the military. Just to be clear, Sir.
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MAJ Bill Maynard
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Is there a published account of everything that took place? I would be really curious to read the details. I know a chain of command can sour on someone who is "not on the team". I have no idea what happened, but I do know that no one in a position of authority wants someone to question them and make accusations, whether true or false.
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CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana
CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana
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Absolutely right; however, likewise, subordinates don't appreciate superiors tainting them, falsifying their records and sending them for MHEs and EMHEs. Seniors must remember that their understudies are humans and reflections of themselves. Would superiors tolerate juniors acting in such a manner and if not then, why do it? The Code is don't lie, cheat or steal; nor allow others to do so. Why not follow it as the example? A person who goes thru such traumatic experiences feel "raped".
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SPC Bogus Cornett
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I wonder if I have had it because my tank crew and I was almost killed on a mountain in Germany
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CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana
CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana
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Do you have flashbacks of that traumatic experience at home, at work and, with others; is your stress bearable or unbearable; do you lash out, roll into defensive mode or, deny the act as though it never existed?
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SPC Bogus Cornett
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Not really but I have nightmares at times
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SFC Intelligence Analyst
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Anyone can get PTSD who suffers any trauma. It's post TRAUMATIC stress disorder. My mom's cousin lost her son to suicide three or four years ago (he was a soldier - young too in his mid 20s). She has PTSD among other issues.
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CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana
CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana
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My comrade is hurt from the inside, because his service, at its tail-end, was marred by false allegations that have no evidence. His trauma came in peacetime, in garrison, at the hands of his leadership; a leadership that my Comrade had submitted a Complaint about, but which leadership the Service IG never actually investigated and, the truth my Comrade relives daily, even after almost 15 years.
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My mom's cousin's son killed himself CONUS and after a deployment. Also after his grandfather (my great uncle) had suddenly died a few months earlier. I think he was the one person my second cousin (? I don't remember how cousins are labeled with parents cousins kid) could talk to and the he felt like he had no one. I had never met him. I hadn't seen my great aunt and uncle for like 25 years when he died. I went to see her. I should have met that kid when I was out there. Had I known he was having issues I would have helped him find some resources where he lived.
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Sgt Erle Mutz
Sgt Erle Mutz
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That's been my point - all along. Every person is very different from the next, therefore it's impossible to 'say' what does or doesn't cause PTSD in each possible individual, in their lifetime - combat or not.
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SPC David Willis
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Certainly, if PTSD only involved combat situations there would be way fewer cases of it in the military.
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CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana
CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana
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This is exactly what I was trying to understand and your feedback has helped me immensely David; thanks.
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SPC David Willis
SPC David Willis
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No problem. I heard PTSD best described as an individual cup that is constantly filling up. Some people have different sized cups, and different experiences fill them up at different rates. Some things can drain the cup as well such as a solid support system. So some people can go through hell and come out ok because they either had great support or because they have a bigger cup. If the person you knew took everything as his own burden and didn't have people he could vent to or turn to for support its very likely it could have caused his cup to overflow.
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Sgt Erle Mutz
Sgt Erle Mutz
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SPC David - tell that to 'Pvt Pyle' - . I know that he was an actor "playing a part" but in his situation as a new recruit in the movie "Full Metal Jacket", those events DO exist and have for many decades. He was not in a combat situation, but his "trauma" came from his senior drill instructor in the form of belittlement and punishment both from him and his 'fellow recruits'.
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