Posted on Sep 2, 2020
Can someone please tell me the AR on that a soldier NEEDS to have a certain amount of time left in the Army to attend BLC?
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I have a SPC in my squad who has been promotable since February. I asked back in May why he hasn't attended distance learning BLC yet. I was told because he had less than a year before ETS, which was in Dec. While I was in ALC last month. He extended for 6 more months, and still the same reason why he hasn't gone. Yes he is on the OML but I also had another soldier attend the E5 board back in May and he starts BLC this month. It just frustrates me to see this happening to a great soldier.
Army Regulations
Promotions
Basic Leaders Course (BLC formerly WLC PLDC)
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Sounds like you need to be that SSG and get cussed out until someone signs the form. We all know how it goes when trying to get a signature. You have to bare the brunt to keep them accountable.
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Had a soldier back November of last year. Needed to get them into BLC's January class. Schools gives me a call and tell me SM had the wrong Class application, it had been updated. I got the new form, filled it out and sent it to the commander diriectly. What's noteworthy is that Schools tells that they're on a deadline to send the list up to get in for January's class. I get the talking to of not sending things to the commander. Long story short, commander waited the WHOLE day to sign the form and the SM didn't even make the alternate list and had to wait until February. So yea man, take that ass chewing to get that signature
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AR 614-200 has a table that gives the breakdown of the SRR for training based on the length of training.
On the HRC website you’ll find a statement that says all NCOES must have at least six months from graduation date to attend. As for your SPC, most bases use an OML based on promotion points. That may be why he hasn’t attended yet
On the HRC website you’ll find a statement that says all NCOES must have at least six months from graduation date to attend. As for your SPC, most bases use an OML based on promotion points. That may be why he hasn’t attended yet
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This is what I got off the Army HRC site
https://www.hrc.army.mil/content/Time%20Remaining%20in%20Service%20Obligation%20for%20Military%20Schooling
"Regulatory guidance on the time remaining in service (TRS) obligation incurred after attending military schools is found in AR 614-200, Chapter 4 (Enlisted Assignments and Utilization Management).
Soldiers who are selected for and attend service schools incur a TRS obligation based on the length of the course. The TRS obligation commences upon completion of the course.
Soldiers with insufficient TRS to meet the prescribed TRS obligation must reenlist or extend before attending training.
The maximum TRS obligation for school attendance is 36 months. TRS requirements for some special training or career development programs may differ from those normally prescribed for military school attendance. Soldiers selected for special training programs must meet the TRS obligation prescribed for the program selected.
Soldiers who met the TRS requirement at the beginning of school attendance do not incur any additional TRS obligations if they are held over or recycled.
The TRS obligation is six months for Soldiers attending NCO Professional Development System courses, regardless of the length of the course, except for attendance at the U.S. Army Sergeants Major Course, which incurs a 24-month TRS obligation.
Voluntary retirements will not be approved for Soldiers until after they have completed all TRS obligations, to include those resulting from school attendance. Request for waiver will be forwarded through the Soldier's commander to CDR, HRC, ATTN: HRC-EPS-S, Fort Knox, KY 40122."
So by that the SM would need 6 months time remaining on their contract after completion of BLC.
Not to be a smartass but WHO told him he would not have enough time left?
https://www.hrc.army.mil/content/Time%20Remaining%20in%20Service%20Obligation%20for%20Military%20Schooling
"Regulatory guidance on the time remaining in service (TRS) obligation incurred after attending military schools is found in AR 614-200, Chapter 4 (Enlisted Assignments and Utilization Management).
Soldiers who are selected for and attend service schools incur a TRS obligation based on the length of the course. The TRS obligation commences upon completion of the course.
Soldiers with insufficient TRS to meet the prescribed TRS obligation must reenlist or extend before attending training.
The maximum TRS obligation for school attendance is 36 months. TRS requirements for some special training or career development programs may differ from those normally prescribed for military school attendance. Soldiers selected for special training programs must meet the TRS obligation prescribed for the program selected.
Soldiers who met the TRS requirement at the beginning of school attendance do not incur any additional TRS obligations if they are held over or recycled.
The TRS obligation is six months for Soldiers attending NCO Professional Development System courses, regardless of the length of the course, except for attendance at the U.S. Army Sergeants Major Course, which incurs a 24-month TRS obligation.
Voluntary retirements will not be approved for Soldiers until after they have completed all TRS obligations, to include those resulting from school attendance. Request for waiver will be forwarded through the Soldier's commander to CDR, HRC, ATTN: HRC-EPS-S, Fort Knox, KY 40122."
So by that the SM would need 6 months time remaining on their contract after completion of BLC.
Not to be a smartass but WHO told him he would not have enough time left?
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SSG Brian G.
SSG (Join to see) - This if from HRC with a date of 15 Apr 2020. It might be a local thing to require more time but...
If it were me? I would reference that AR, print that off the HRC site and go see your commander. Let him be the dog in the fight as he has more pull and push than either your PSG or 1SG and he can freely reach above the CSM's head.
If it were me? I would reference that AR, print that off the HRC site and go see your commander. Let him be the dog in the fight as he has more pull and push than either your PSG or 1SG and he can freely reach above the CSM's head.
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Suppose the soldier is not within 12 months before ets, very unlikely the army will send him to school. Which could be the reason as to why he hasn’t been slotted. I just experienced the same last week I put it a request to send 3 of my guys to BLC while overseas and one of my guys is under 12 months for ets. He was denied the school. Now I’m not saying this is why it’s happening to you and your joe but this is what happened to me. During his extension he could of negotiated that in his contract prior to signing.
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WO1(P) Jonathan P.
If that is the case, nothing you can do unless the soldier decides to do another year or so then at that point, the school with be automatic as he will be next on OML for BLC. As a leader, you are and seem you done what you are capable of, and to the extreme, you can push for it. Right now, the decision is on the soldier's table. Keep working on your guy's train, educate, and prepare them. Unfortunately, based on Army logic, you have to focus on how staying in and the one's transition out are on the ”way out.”
Good luck, SSG!
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Good luck, SSG!
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"Time Remaining in Service Obligation for Military Schooling" https://www.hrc.army.mil/content/Time%20Remaining%20in%20Service%20Obligation%20for%20Military%20Schooling
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SSG Dennis Mendoza
The TRS obligation is six months for Soldiers attending NCO Professional Development System courses, regardless of the length of the course, except for attendance at the U.S. Army Sergeants Major Course, which incurs a 24-month TRS obligation.
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SSG Dennis Mendoza
SSG (Join to see) yeah I don't agree they're doing that, what if the soldier lets say he ets and affiliates with either the national guard or reserves he's at least on his way to get promoted there instead of having to compete with people that have been in them units for years. It's my pleasure to help.
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I'm not trying to insult your intelligence or anything, just trying to get SA. Who did you ask, the PSG or OPs, someone else?
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I asked my old PSG and new PSG. Apparently the answers I'm getting are coming from higher.
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SSG (Join to see) interesting. I'll play devil's advocate for a second. Does your SPC plan on staying in? If not, I guess I can see commands reluctance to give a BLC slot to someone who plans on getting out in a year. Not saying that's the right answer, just trying to see what their reasoning is.
I'd say request to sit down with the SPC, PSG and company command team to work out why he's not getting a shot. If they seem to blow you off I'd try BN CSM's open door policy.
I'd say request to sit down with the SPC, PSG and company command team to work out why he's not getting a shot. If they seem to blow you off I'd try BN CSM's open door policy.
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SSgt Joseph Baptist Does the soldier meet SRR or plan on it? If not, then I understand why their leadership might be saying no. Again, I'm not even sure that's the reason and I'm not even fully agreeing with it. Is the soldier extending long enough to simply get a BLC course but then get out and use that course on a resume? Could be the soldier wants to get BLC before he commit to another enlistment. I don't know.
Not my soldier, I don't have the slightest idea about his potential and plans, just what SSG (Join to see) said. I'm simply recommending he sit down with the chain of command and see why this SPC isn't getting the opportunity to attend BLC.
Not my soldier, I don't have the slightest idea about his potential and plans, just what SSG (Join to see) said. I'm simply recommending he sit down with the chain of command and see why this SPC isn't getting the opportunity to attend BLC.
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SSgt Joseph Baptist you'd be surprised. Word that shit right and it sells. Sounds crazy but it works.
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Regulatory guidance on the time remaining in service (TRS) obligation incurred after attending military schools is found in AR 614-200, Chapter 4 (Enlisted Assignments and Utilization Management).
Soldiers who are selected for and attend service schools incur a TRS obligation based on the length of the course. The TRS obligation commences upon completion of the course.
Soldiers with insufficient TRS to meet the prescribed TRS obligation must reenlist or extend before attending training.
The maximum TRS obligation for school attendance is 36 months. TRS requirements for some special training or career development programs may differ from those normally prescribed for military school attendance. Soldiers selected for special training programs must meet the TRS obligation prescribed for the program selected.
Soldiers who met the TRS requirement at the beginning of school attendance do not incur any additional TRS obligations if they are held over or recycled.
The TRS obligation is six months for Soldiers attending NCO Professional Development System courses, regardless of the length of the course, except for attendance at the U.S. Army Sergeants Major Course, which incurs a 24-month TRS obligation.
Soldiers who are selected for and attend service schools incur a TRS obligation based on the length of the course. The TRS obligation commences upon completion of the course.
Soldiers with insufficient TRS to meet the prescribed TRS obligation must reenlist or extend before attending training.
The maximum TRS obligation for school attendance is 36 months. TRS requirements for some special training or career development programs may differ from those normally prescribed for military school attendance. Soldiers selected for special training programs must meet the TRS obligation prescribed for the program selected.
Soldiers who met the TRS requirement at the beginning of school attendance do not incur any additional TRS obligations if they are held over or recycled.
The TRS obligation is six months for Soldiers attending NCO Professional Development System courses, regardless of the length of the course, except for attendance at the U.S. Army Sergeants Major Course, which incurs a 24-month TRS obligation.
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If the leadership want to send him to school they would. If they don’t, he won’t. My BN received one pathfinder slot and I was selected for it. At the same time I had submitted a green to good application. I got accepted and would be out three months before my pathfinder course started. The first week I was at the course my company commander called and asked me why I was there when I was leaving in less than three months. Because I have TDY orders- duh! I called my platoon leader and he told me not to worry he would take care of the commander. Same commander that failed jumpmaster and called me the night before and told me not to show up to the course cause someone else was taking my slot. My platoon leader told me to show up and he would take care of it. He later told me it was the commander that wanted my slot. So, don’t be afraid to fight for your guys. Needless to say, my commander and I didn’t get along, but my platoon leader loved me.
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