Posted on Dec 10, 2014
Can the Army National Guard train Reserve Soldiers?
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Can the Army National Guard train a Soldier in Modern Army Combatives?
Is it possible for a Reserve Soldier to take an APFT or a Weapon's Qual with a National Guard unit?
Provided the Reserve unit is paying the Soldier to train, of course.
Is it possible for a Reserve Soldier to take an APFT or a Weapon's Qual with a National Guard unit?
Provided the Reserve unit is paying the Soldier to train, of course.
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SGT (Join to see) I was doing vice versa earlier this year. I split drilled with a Reserve unit as I was awaiting my transfer. Had to complete a DA 1380 for each month. I did an APFT with the Reserve unit, but Weapon's Qual.....it would take more coordination to ensure they have allocated ammo.
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Ok... That makes sense, MAJ (Join to see). Seeing that the National Guard has a lot more at their disposal, it would also make sense if Reserve Soldiers can certify in Modern Army Combatives (for example). It would be great actually; i.e. ultimately for the Army. I think there some kind of deal in the making (between The AR and NG). Is that feasible, SGM Luther Thomas? So far as MAJ (Join to see) pointed out individual Soldiers have to be proactive to "make it happen".
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SGM Luther Thomas
Total Force Policy directs components to train together as much as possible. All three components train together now. Units have to coordinate unit training but we attend each others schools through the use of ATRRS.
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The short answer is yes, so long as your commander blesses off on an RST or orders. It shouldn't be hard unless the training has significant liability risk, such as airborne training. MAC might qualify in some commander's eyes.
A good policy would be to go armed with a counter-offer to train some of their Soldiers, if their commander is agreeable. This could be mutually beneficial.
A good policy would be to go armed with a counter-offer to train some of their Soldiers, if their commander is agreeable. This could be mutually beneficial.
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MSG John Wirts
Any training I am qualified to perform, I should be able to get permission from my unit, and the unit I want to train with and give both units the benefit of shared knowledge. I participated in Joint Forces exercise Exotic Dancer IV during Apr and may 1971 as an active duty augmentee . The Air Force communications and Navy communications were not able to communicate in previous exercises. We were using teletype and teletype relay equipment. That year we found that the two services were using incompatible protocol. The Air Force was using one indicator for space and the other for mark, the Navy was using our space indicator as their mark and vise versa. The joint services exercise and the augmentee program expanded our perception of what was possible. This was an example of thinking outside the box, before the term became popular.
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MSG John Wirts, Exotic Dancer IV?!
There's a name I'll bet isn't in circulation anymore.
There's a name I'll bet isn't in circulation anymore.
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MSG John Wirts
No the PC Police eliminated that and probably Fluffy Coaches call sign as "offensive" to whom?? Much of my early service time has been censored by the PC Police, we won't even start on JODIES!
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MSG John Wirts
I may have gotten on the wrong track, Being a test supervisor and an instructor, I focused on schooling, the rules there are different. When I was in the California Air National Guard, my father performed duty with my unit, he was a WWII pilot and a Air Force Reservist, proper training and documentation worked both ways.
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Of course! As a Drill Sergeant in fact the National Guard asked the Reserves to train their Pre-IET Soldiers. We gave them APFTs (for practice) and taught them Soldiering skills before they shipped to Basic Training.
When I went to the First Sergeant's course, I attended at Fort Indiantown Gap, which is a National Guard school.
The standards are the same, we wear the same uniform, we can train each other.
When I went to the First Sergeant's course, I attended at Fort Indiantown Gap, which is a National Guard school.
The standards are the same, we wear the same uniform, we can train each other.
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absolutely. In fact I have stolen Quotas from the guard and sent my reserve soldiers to their schools. You just have to use the 90-45-15 day rules to do it and be I touch with the school house. Many Guard courses will let you send walk ins as long as that Soldier is in a wait status in ATRRS.
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When I was in the California Air National Guard, the Tennessee Air National Guard started its National Guard NCO Academy. Guardsmen from all over the U.S. both Air And Army were trained there. Later I was an Instructor At the 6237 USAR School, at Camp Parks CA, The name was later changed to the 6237 USARF School. The National Guard insisted because it was a USAR School it was only for reserves. So it became a USAR Forces school and the National Guard schools were not authorized. While the National Guard was running their own NCO Academy the Reserve Instructors were tasked to serve as instructors at the National Guard School. When a Reservist transferred to the Guard any Reserve training counted met the Guard training requirements. But When a Guardsman transferred to the Reserves, Any National Guard training, often did not satisfy Reserve requirements especially not NCOES courses.
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MSG John Wirts, I may be seeing a pattern here. Proactive-ness isn't common but once it spreads like wild fire policies may not benefit one side.
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I've been in the both Guard and Reserve; they work together all the time as I have in both capacities. They are all soldiers regardless of component and if they are qualified to teach other soldiers in certain subject they do it as it should be. When I was in the National Guard, we ran an EFMB course and participants included active and reserve soldiers.
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Theorectically any component Soldier (1 Active, 2 National Guard, 3 Reserve) should be able to attend the training offered by any other component. In reality, it happens but there are beaucratic obstacles that limit its use, effectiveness, and availability. Some details.
- Institutional. TRADOC calls it OASS (One Army School System). The intent is that any component Soldier be able to attend any PME (Professional Military Education) delivered by any component. Achieving this goal will make the institutional delivery of training more effective and efficient.
- Operational. Several different partnering relationships (i.e. AC EN BDE and RC EN BDE, RC MEB with AC DIV) meant to leverage training opportunities and cross component awareness so that we are more effective during employments and deployments.
- Individual. This is probably the weakest area of the three and touches upon the examples that SGT Oliver mentions (combatives, APFT, weapons qual). Success here will depend upon individual Soldier and local commander initiative to make it happen.
- Institutional. TRADOC calls it OASS (One Army School System). The intent is that any component Soldier be able to attend any PME (Professional Military Education) delivered by any component. Achieving this goal will make the institutional delivery of training more effective and efficient.
- Operational. Several different partnering relationships (i.e. AC EN BDE and RC EN BDE, RC MEB with AC DIV) meant to leverage training opportunities and cross component awareness so that we are more effective during employments and deployments.
- Individual. This is probably the weakest area of the three and touches upon the examples that SGT Oliver mentions (combatives, APFT, weapons qual). Success here will depend upon individual Soldier and local commander initiative to make it happen.
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