Posted on Sep 24, 2019
Can the PT test change the turnaround point in the middle of the test making it valid for some people and not others?
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This was a re-test as part of a school. The turnaround point was 1/8 mile long. The runners ran further than 2 miles but before the walkers got to the turnaround, they moved it closer (according to schoolhouse cadre). They are going to re-test the runners who failed but say the walkers failed and it's a valid PT test. I was dropped from the course along with one other due to this, I otherwise passed the other events. Is this legal?
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Alterations to a test "in progress" call into question the validity of the test regardless of whether everything was done correctly or not. Based on how you describe the course layout below (1 mile out, 1 mile back for runners, with 1/4 mile out 1/4 back additional for walkers), it would not have affected the walkers' time but that is generally irrelevant because the cadre "manipulated a test in progress."
Just because the outcome wasn't affected (for walkers) doesn't mean they were justified in not invalidating the test when they realized they had a bad course layout.
Just because the outcome wasn't affected (for walkers) doesn't mean they were justified in not invalidating the test when they realized they had a bad course layout.
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In the words of my belived Abigail Scuito: Something's hinky here. Defintely bring this up the chain. Absolute worst case is no change, and the drop from the course stands.
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It's hard to say not knowing all the specifics. Check the regs and check the run/walk course layout for the proper mileage. If you still have your doubts bring it up (TACTFULLY) with the support chain.
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Without having been present for this APFT, my instincts still tell me there is something amiss with this test. I would submit a challenge to the Cadre and/or the Commandant for the validity of this test.
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This is one of those areas where I have no idea what the regulation says, but if there is a legitimate concern about the validity of something like an APFT it would be good faith leadership to offer another test.
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The 2 miles run track is that: a total of 2 miles from start to finish. If there are discrepancies the event is null. Having said that, if a decision to challenge it is in consideration, I would suggest a word of caution and be choosy on your battles.
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With respect, if a soldier is being sent home from an ATRRS course due to incompetence by the schoolhouse, that is a pretty damn worthy battle. Failing out of an ATRRS course flags you from red rolling in ANY ATRRS course for one calendar year. Fight this fight.
MAJ Javier Rivera
No offense takenSFC Thomas Foreman! Is all about having the ducks in a row and evidentiary fact to sustain the allegation. Only the affected person can make that decision.
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MAJ Javier Rivera Oh I 100% agree there, sir. I don’t think I’ve ever taken a PT test where someone didn’t claim the track was long. On occasion they were right. I’ve never encountered the route being changed mid-test, and that alone would give me cause as a leader to administer another test. Unless of course this was somehow briefed prior to the event...which still seems weird to me.
MAJ Javier Rivera
SFC Thomas Foreman back in 1999, at Ft. Lee, the CG at the time asked the IG himself to walk and measure the PT track used by everyone since each organization had its own start and finish points. The asphalt looked like a rainbow by so many marks! Soldiers complained that there was no standard and the distances not consistent across the spectrum. Well, like I mentioned, the IG himself walked the one mile stretch from point to point and no more complaints!!!!
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