Posted on Jun 19, 2016
Col Commander
15.1K
186
90
25
25
0
Is it me or is the current focus to be PC and inclusive resulting in more hate or perception of more hate?
Posted in these groups: Diversity DiversityDanger political correctness 300x300 Political Correctness
Avatar feed
Responses: 56
MSG Stan Hutchison
4
4
0
I think it has become far easier to label something as "being PC" than to intelligently address whatever the situation may be. Calling everything "PC" is just a means to ignore and even denigrate a particular problem.
Even this thread is trying to lump a wide variety of problems/situations under one big label, being "PC." Rather than doing that, why not attempt to address each one separately?
(4)
Comment
(0)
Avatar small
PO2 Mike Vignapiano
3
3
0
Nope, it's not you. I feel the same way. The pendulum has swung way too far to the left that anytime I hear or see someone raging against it, I feel a sigh of relief. I think that is why Trump has won the hearts of so many Americans from all backgrounds and why he may very well win, especially if the GOP dumps him.
(3)
Comment
(0)
A1C Lisa Casserly
A1C Lisa Casserly
>1 y
I agree. I am not a Trump fan, (Not a fan of Bernie or Hillary either!) but just the fact that he (all of them!) and they have gotten as far as they have speaks volumes about how crazy the USA has gotten, how out-of-touch the government gotten from or with the vast majority of the people. And I firmly believe that the GOP is on the skids.. they have REFUSED to listen to the concerns of the people for at least the past at least 12 years. They seem more interested in keeping the status quo going than they do in realizing that the USA is CHANGING, and they need to change with it, to address the new concerns like Terrorism and a terrible economic situation since most good manufacturing jobs have been exported to other countries, etc.
(1)
Reply
(0)
CPO David Sharp
CPO David Sharp
>1 y
A1C, The divide between the people and political "elite" is widening. This will reach a breaking point as it has through History. Keep your mind engaged, I agree the Nation is changing and some real issues, i.e., ISIS has to be addressed not the nonsense of PC speeches and fairy tale diplomatic deals. There are times I am really embarrassed for our Nation when I see the people who represent us in the front of a T.V. camera on the world stage.
(0)
Reply
(0)
Avatar small
Cpl Glynis Sakowicz
3
3
0
Maj Brewer, You stated what I've been pondering for a while now. I'm not one average anything... Part White, Part Black, Part Native, with a background that includes growing up in ranch-land Texas, where owning and using guns was expected and accepted... and on top of all that, I'm Jewish.
Someone I was having a conversation with, a person who is Liberal and a product of a very large university, where she graduated just a few years ago, rolled her eyes, told me I'd NEVER UNDERSTAND, since I was a WHITE CONSERVATIVE who would never know what it was like to be poor, working for everything you needed, and held back by everyone because you were black. Keep in mind that this person is a whole lot more white than I could ever be, and apparently loaded down with all sorts of "White Guilt" that she expected me to share.
For several seconds I stood there, wondering if I could hold back the snort-laugh that was coming, then I realized it was best not to laugh, because she was actually serious.
Instead, I explained to her, that I didn't have any white guilt, because I joined the work force at 16, I grew up wearing hand-me-downs, learning how to fix cars, hunt and grow food, and I never felt a bit of guilt about any of that.
Within a nanosecond, she was literally screaming at me, about how I was THE PROBLEM in this world, and people like me were just going to have to DIE before life equaled out.
At this point, I realized that a Throat Punch was a valid option, but I chose instead to laugh, and walk away. I am short, chubby and gray-haired, and I would not do well in Jail, so it was time to walk away, but inside I was stunned. Am I, because I have fair skin, THE PROBLEM? I don't have the answer to this one, but I'd love to hear from someone who might have a Clue!
(3)
Comment
(0)
CPO David Sharp
CPO David Sharp
>1 y
CPL Sackowicz, I applaud your restraint but truly understand that response and the metallic taste in my mouth. The issue I am really affraid is that this has become the very real danger of this concept. The fact of anyone being White or any color/background is 180 degrees from the things they feel they are trying to correct. These folks are walking, talking(spewing) ignorant oxymorons. I am truly worried about the Nation's future with this "higher educated" people. Today, June 21, is the anniversary of the battle of Iwo Jima. Many from all walks of life and etnicities fought together for that common purpose. I would refer these folk to read "Flags of My Father" and understand the Marines who raised that flag. That was diversity as a unified effort for Freedom.
(2)
Reply
(0)
A1C Lisa Casserly
A1C Lisa Casserly
>1 y
You know, I am white... as white as they come, apparently. But, I worked for what I got, served my country, and never once felt like I had any kind of privilege just for the color of my skin. On the contrary, I have felt looked down on, because I'm a housewife in a day and age when everyone is supposed to have a career, that I'm a "slave" to my husband and family, etc. I grew up poor. Like you, hand-me-down or thrift-store clothes, eating day after day after day of milk gravy over potatoes because meat was too expensive, and a full stomach was preferable to eating fresh organic food and so on... I get so mad when people are so into their own political view that they refuse to even DISCUSS the issues. How are we EVER going to solve ANYTHING if no one will listen? They only want to scream their view, and you'd better be on board with that OR ELSE you are a Racist, bigot, white privilege, etc.
(2)
Reply
(0)
Avatar small
Cpl Justin Goolsby
3
3
0
Yes. The biggest problem is people confusing equal opportunity with equal results. Now I'm not going to say discrimination doesn't happen. I know it does, but I also know it isn't as widespread or rampant as people make it out to be.

I had a friend whom I trusted with my life. Turns out he didn't value my life as much as I valued his life. Some of the things that came out of his mouth honestly scared me. The biggest issue being race. He started calling out for the extermination of the white man who've been oppressing his brothers for generations. Every time I saw him posting his hateful rhetoric I'd call him out on it before he finally blocked me from his life.

I grew up in multi-background neighborhoods. I am an equalist through and through. But lately it seems instead of classifying each other as people, everyone needs to subdivide you into little categories to determine how much "privilege" you have. You can only imagine how insulting it is growing up in the ghetto and then being told the only reason you got out of the ghetto is because I'm a straight white male. As if it had nothing to do with my single mom working double/triple shifts to save enough just to get out of the neighborhood.

Everyone has a struggle in life, but these days instead of recognizing that fact of life, we'd rather hold a pissing contest over who can be more oppressed.
(3)
Comment
(0)
A1C Lisa Casserly
A1C Lisa Casserly
>1 y
And when did this change? I know my ancestors came here because they could keep what they worked for. From the sweat of their brow, they broke homesteads out of thew wilderness. When the "Indian Uprising" of the 1860s happened, they were spared. Why? Because instead of treating the Natives like vermin, they welcomed them to their homes and fed them pancakes. You treat people well, they should return that "favor". You know, do unto others as you'd have them do unto you. Now, it seems that everyone wants something for free, to get their stuff from the sweat off the brow of another. I'm not against helping someone else when they need a hand! Not at all, I believe we SHOULD do this... but when the government forces it, it breeds anger and distrust and hate.
(2)
Reply
(0)
Cpl Justin Goolsby
Cpl Justin Goolsby
>1 y
I couldn't agree more. Personally, I don't know when the change happened. Maybe it's always been like this. Maybe that's the actual difference between childhood innocence and adulthood harsh reality.
(0)
Reply
(0)
Avatar small
SPC Joseph Ahner
3
3
0
Yes Sir. I believe that the PC inclusiveness produces more intolerance than it eliminates simply due to the element of Coercion involved.
(3)
Comment
(0)
Avatar small
MSgt Robert Pellam
3
3
0
Yes and No....

The problem we have is not when we include others into once exclusive groups. The problems come from changing standards to include these people into these groups. Women in Combat is a easy example. If women can do everything required by standards that men can do to be in combat then there should be no barrier for them entering combat. IF you change the standards to allow women in combat than you create a different group, marginalizing those already in the group and that is where problems happen.

But there is also the spin factor. You have people so set against women in combat that they imagine unbeatable standards to rationalize women being excluded. Even though no one in the group has had to perform these standards the Spin Doctor will point this out as a reason even though its fueled by prejudice and not fact.

I don't think being PC is a bad or good thing. Its the way its used. Both sides of the argument no longer look at facts and standards, but instead try to use emotion, and feelings to push an objective. PC has become an excuse for people to stop thinking rationally. If you blame something on being PC whether for or against it, you already lost the argument in my book.

But again just one mans humble opinion.
(3)
Comment
(0)
MSG Military Police
MSG (Join to see)
>1 y
MSgt Robert Pellam RE: You have people so set against women in combat that they imagine unbeatable standards to rationalize women being excluded. Yup, saw that with an former BN CSM.
(1)
Reply
(0)
Avatar small
Col Commander
2
2
0
Brexit proves my point. The inclusivity of the EU has, inturn, alienated the UK.
(2)
Comment
(0)
Lt Col Commander
Lt Col (Join to see)
>1 y
Exactly... it's as if individualism is yielded to collectivism, and if you don't join the collective - you're somehow evil therefore, alienated. (Anyone else picturing the Borg?)
(1)
Reply
(0)
Avatar small
A1C Lisa Casserly
2
2
0
I think you are right... The past 8 years have been a constant down-hill spiral of hatred, bad feelings, and so on. I didn't vote for the current president, but when he was elected, I had high hopes that his presidency would be a time for wonderful growth and understanding. He's had multiple, multiple, multiple opportunities to make things better. However, instead of calling for dialog, understanding, peace, and togetherness, he has created bad feelings, hatred, distrust. And I'm not saying that he's necessarily called for this openly, but by keeping silent, he's encouraged it. A REAL LEADER knows this... that its not just what you do or say, but what you don't do or say. In the PC situation, they seem to have forgotten that while we want equal rights for everyone, equal rights for even the smallest minority group, that they are ignoring and taking away the rights of the rest. To paraphrase something once said in Star Trek: In pushing forward the rights of the few, we should not take away the rights of the many. it seems that now the rights of the small groups are all that matter. It seems that they don't want equal rights, they want to lord it over and shove it down the throats of the many, and this is not right or fair or good, either.
(2)
Comment
(0)
Avatar small
LCpl Motor Vehicle Operator
2
2
0
I imagine in the beginning pointing out politically incorrectness was fueled with good intent as a way of calling attention to everyday conversation that might unknowingly be hurtful to people who would not normally speak up.

Now, in it’s more malevolent, venomous and malignant way, PC is used to manipulate, to attack someone the moment they think that they have found a weak spot to exploit. It’s a tool used to shut people up and shut people down who don’t agree.
(2)
Comment
(0)
Avatar small
MAJ Clyde Howell
2
2
0
The terms inclusion, diversity, and pluralism are used by many people for many different things or agendas, almost all of them incorrect. The intent is not to be able to say that we have Black, Asian, men, women, Christian, Jew, or Muslim or anything else in addition to white. The goal is to see all as human beings worthy of, deserving of, and receiving of respect and dignity simply because they are human beings. When we look at people by category we reduce them to outliers (even white people) and that can only breed disrespect, being demeaned, and the resulting situations being described here.

This was easy in the military because everyone was green and their gender was soldier. Sadly, that is no longer the case as social prejudices have entered the military and brought with them the same biases and counterproductive behavior rampant in society at large.
(2)
Comment
(0)
CPO David Sharp
CPO David Sharp
>1 y
This "acceptance" has done more divisive harm than good. Or was that the initial purpose? Divide and conquer/control.
(0)
Reply
(0)
Avatar small

Join nearly 2 million former and current members of the US military, just like you.

close