Posted on Feb 20, 2019
Can your Army recruiter ask for you to get your secret clearance?
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I ship out to army as 25b on June 23rd, I find it funny how my recruiter told me I would get an interview with a investigator right after I signed a contract, it’s been 1 month and an investigator didn’t call me not once, but I have friends (7 to be exact) who have been put through meps with the same recruit as me and signed a contract last week and 2 signed contracts today and they all got to interview with an investigator on the spot when they signed the contract, why didn’t I get that opportunity? I think it’s because I did something bad when I was 16 but it was expunged from my records and he told me I would be good to join if I don’t say anything (yes I know it was wrong to lie but focus on the other parts I’m asking right now) so I didn’t , but I think he is probably telling them to prolong my clearance until I ship out because maybe he thinks I will get caught for lying so he doesn’t want them to interview me now and later, they end up finding out I lied they will kick me out and he won’t make his quota because I never shipped out because of me getting caught up, Is that what is going on here or he can’t do anything for me to be in contact with an investigator before I even ship ? Because how is it that everyone else is getting in contact with investigators but I’m not? You expect me to believe that waivers go in order from whoever submitted them first to last , but clearances don’t go in order ???
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Kid, They will investigate when they want to and will. They can do it anytime before AIT.
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Then why they interviewing people before me? Does the recruiter have anything to do with this
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Im not seeing where your recruiter asked you to get a clearance but it’s sounds like you’re being paranoid because you lied.
Whatever has happened with your friends doesn’t mean it will be the same for you. For my clearance before I was able to sign you have to talk to someone over the phone for an initial interview that your liaison will put you through to and answer some questions to ensure you qualify for an investigation. Before all of this you have to have a finger printed background check which should pull up anything you have against you.
The clearance investigation process can take a while and wherever you are basic/AIT they will find you and conduct your final interview before it gets sent for review.
Whatever has happened with your friends doesn’t mean it will be the same for you. For my clearance before I was able to sign you have to talk to someone over the phone for an initial interview that your liaison will put you through to and answer some questions to ensure you qualify for an investigation. Before all of this you have to have a finger printed background check which should pull up anything you have against you.
The clearance investigation process can take a while and wherever you are basic/AIT they will find you and conduct your final interview before it gets sent for review.
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Yes I am active duty & my friends and I are all signals /IT 25 series so it’s only secret clearances , why would they make me wait 4 months to do an investigation? But my friends didn’t have to wait 4 months for theirs cause they also have June dates .... SGT(P) (Join to see)
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Because that’s the army and they will do what they want when they want. Stop comparing your process with theirs... you’re going to drive yourself nuts. For example, when I went to basic all of the other mikes got their language preference email and I hadn’t. They didn’t get to me until 3 weeks later but I couldn’t respond until I got a phone privlage. I got a higher DLAB score than them and singed my contract before them.... doesn’t matter. ALSO they all had their final investigation interview before me and I had to do my final interview in basic. Just get prepared to not understand why they do what they do and focus on training and enjoying time with your family. PVT (Join to see)
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Thank you very much !it was very helpful and I understand 100%SGT(P) (Join to see)
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He may have informed you incorrectly, it's been a while since I had to put in for a clearance but if I recall even things done as a juvenile needed to be reported. Believe it or not I've always heard that it's worse to lie or not divulge all information than reporting on it because after all many of us did things we were not particularly proud of when young and they take that in to consideration. I've also heard that many clearance submittals are denied because of bad credit or other personal financial issues-Good luck!!
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CSM Thomas McGarry
I've been retired for several years so you may have to get your info from someone who is still serving. Good luck and thank you for wanting to serve!!
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FYI, having done juvenile law...even if you get your record "expunged", they can still verify your arrest - I have been told that recruiters check the national FBI database for fingerprints, and your state expungement likely does not affect the FBI database.
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Your recruiter has zero, actually less than zero control over your security clearance investigation. You are so far out of your zone here. It will happen when it happens. Just go with it.
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Lots of comments but one critical thing missing. Don't know if you filled out the questionnaire but "you can answer no if the case was expunged" isn't on the form the last time I had to do it. Presumably the expungement occurred at a local/state level. If the original court finding was sent to the Feds (there's a list of stuff that is required to be sent), the expungement order has no authority at the Federal level and court clerks don't typically pitch that stuff that way because they know it. The FBI, US Marshall, BATF, etc. have access to your SSN and any court record sent their way. DIS and others doing a background check pings on all these sources. If you didn't report the information on the questionnaire, then the investigating entity can read that three ways. Nothing there, you lied, or you thought you were OK. I've seen it cut all ways with folk under my command and the only pattern I could discern was more related to the offence. Shoplifting at the mall is one thing. Domestic violence is another. Also, I've personally have been interviewed early and other times late after they talked to everyone else in the phone book. It's a matter of how they read your response and the results of their pings to the LEO side. Then it's what's the easiest path to conclude the investigation.
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NOTHING is hidden from the military. You need to come clean about that record. Your recruiter may not like it, but he's not the one who could get kicked out for lying. That record will be found during their background investigation so it's best to tell them now. Remember, it's your life, and your future on the line. That recruiter will NOT step up and tell them that he told you to leave that information out. That recruiter will NOT be the one who has to suffer the consequences of being discharged for lying. It will all be on you. Step up and do the right thing, it's called INTEGRITY.
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SSG Laurie Mullen
PVT (Join to see) - The recruiter doesn't schedule it, the investigator does. If/When the investigator needs to talk you, you will be notified. I don't know why your buddies have been interviewed already. There are just too many variables to give you an answer about that.
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That’s why I was saying it seems odd they got interviews & not me.SSG Laurie Mullen
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SSG Laurie Mullen
PVT (Join to see) - Things have changed since I first enlisted and the clearance process has changed in the past few years so I don't know why they got one and you didn't.
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Well, I had to wait for my Background Investigation until I was ready for the school. Since I just was turning 18, my investigation was quick! - I am from a small town in Northern Minnesota, and all my references were having coffee at my family's Drug Store.
Chief of Police, Minister, Teachers and others were in ONE SPOT!
It was such a farce... the waitress said "you guys FEDs? - Checking up on Bob" -
They asked her how did she know...
"Well, you are wearing sunglasses, driving a FORD LTD, Trenchcoats and strangers, that is how I know"
Needless to say, my clearance was waiting for me when I was a week from school!
Needless to say, that was in 1980 - I am certain a lot of things have changed!!!
Chief of Police, Minister, Teachers and others were in ONE SPOT!
It was such a farce... the waitress said "you guys FEDs? - Checking up on Bob" -
They asked her how did she know...
"Well, you are wearing sunglasses, driving a FORD LTD, Trenchcoats and strangers, that is how I know"
Needless to say, my clearance was waiting for me when I was a week from school!
Needless to say, that was in 1980 - I am certain a lot of things have changed!!!
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Lying is not the Army way and will catch up with you. You may be interested in knowing about the Army Values. Integrity is a core value.
ttps://http://www.army.mil/values/
ttps://http://www.army.mil/values/
The seven Army Values are the foundation of the Army Profession.
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The recruiter has nothing to do with when your investigation starts or stops. They do not have that authority, nor would they want it. The investigations are different for every one. During my first enlistment I talked with someone at MEPS the day I signed. When I came back in, it wasn't until the last couple weeks of my OSUT that I met with an investigator.
Little advise for you, the Army does what they want and what is best for them, always, no exceptions. With that, they also owe you zero explanations about why they do what they do in what order. I am not saying this to be cruel, just trying to help you out. You will realize soon enough when you get to Basic, there is a method to the madness, it is just above your rank. So relax and enjoy the ride.
Little advise for you, the Army does what they want and what is best for them, always, no exceptions. With that, they also owe you zero explanations about why they do what they do in what order. I am not saying this to be cruel, just trying to help you out. You will realize soon enough when you get to Basic, there is a method to the madness, it is just above your rank. So relax and enjoy the ride.
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You could consider revising your SF 86 and add the offense, or bring it up during your interview, just don't let it go past that point. Read these articles, it may help you articulate your error or misunderstanding of the requirement.
https://news.clearancejobs.com/2011/01/26/relevance-of-criminal-conduct-and-security-clearances/amp/
https://news.clearancejobs.com/2015/10/15/sealed-expunged-criminal-records-sf-86/amp/
https://news.clearancejobs.com/2011/01/26/relevance-of-criminal-conduct-and-security-clearances/amp/
https://news.clearancejobs.com/2015/10/15/sealed-expunged-criminal-records-sf-86/amp/
Relevance of Criminal Conduct and Security Clearances - ClearanceJobs
The Adjudicative Guidelines states that “Criminal activity creates doubt about a person’s judgment, reliability and trustworthiness. By its very nature, it calls into question a person’s ability or willingness to comply with laws, rules and regulations.” Because of the high rate of adult recidivism, this issue is perhaps one of the best predictors of future compliance with rules for handling classified information.
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Asking someone who lived the majority of their adult life believing in, and living with Army values to disregard a violation of those values is not reasonable.
The investigator won't ignore it, but you do what you will.
They may not discover it, or they may. They may just send you home, or likely just reassign you to a MOS that doesn't require a clearance.
My Cdr when I was a 1SG is preparing to take command of one of the Recruiting Brigades, and was previously a Recruiting BN Cdr, I'm sure he can advise me if the recruiter can get your clearance interview.
Stand by.
Asking someone who lived the majority of their adult life believing in, and living with Army values to disregard a violation of those values is not reasonable.
The investigator won't ignore it, but you do what you will.
They may not discover it, or they may. They may just send you home, or likely just reassign you to a MOS that doesn't require a clearance.
My Cdr when I was a 1SG is preparing to take command of one of the Recruiting Brigades, and was previously a Recruiting BN Cdr, I'm sure he can advise me if the recruiter can get your clearance interview.
Stand by.
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Why would I want to be depressed in a mos I didn’t ask for? Why would I sacrifice my happiness to be forced to do something I don’t want to do ? Will they discover it? Because 80% of people say they won’t and 20% say they will, Ive talked to many station commanders and they said I am good and I talked to other recruits and they said the same but the only ones so far who say I will be caught are the ones who been in the military 5-6 years and now they are recruits 1SG (Join to see)
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