Posted on Oct 4, 2022
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So a buddy of mine is watching another troops home & dog while he’s in the field and the troops wife is gone. The first day he goes over to let the dog out he find that the house is disgusting, dog feces everywhere, trash all over the place just generally nasty. So my buddy tells his NCO that he doesn’t know what to do because he doesn’t want to go back to that house. Well his platoon leadership for rear d says that everybody is going to go over to this guys house and clean it. There’s no way you can be forced to go clean someone else house right?
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MSgt J D McKee
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If you like someone enough to do them the major favor of doing the above, why would you then go and rat them out to their boss and the senior leadership?
Or, did someone pressure your buddy to do it in the first place and this was his way of getting out of shit duty? Because you can bet your ass nobody in their right mind will ever ask him to do that again if they know he involved the leadership in a personal matter.

Think of this as valuable military training, in that it is very instructive in the area of refusing engagement with a superior force when you don't believe you can win, IE, determining what hill you wish to die on. Because, yes, you will pay the price if you refuse, very likely.

I can't even be against the leadership on this. The nasty homeowner is gonna hear from everyone he works with for months and maybe years what shit the place was, and how they had to clean it up. His wife is gonna give him shit, too, probably, because her home was invaded by strangers in her absence and housekeeping by both parties was implicitly criticized. So, he will likely.....nah, he will likely continue to live in shit because some people just do.

It's on duty, right? So you aren't being penalized, there is no mass punishment involved, it's just different duty. Cleaning a house is so much less onerous and dangerous than clearing a minefield or sorting bodies for shipment it doesn't even qualify for consideration in the same arena, never mind actually fighting.

If it was to clean a house for someone higher ranking just because they wanted their house cleaned, THAT would be immoral and probably illegal.

I don't see this as a punishment for you and the other people who may have to clean the house, but it sure is one for the guy who lives there, and one of the responsibilities of a commander is to ensure decent housing.
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1SG James Kelly
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No; but what the 1SG can make you clean is a whole nouther matter.
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Lt Col Timothy Cassidy-Curtis
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No, you cannot be "forced" to do this. You do this because "we take care of our own."
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SFC Dr. Jesus Garcia-Arce, Psy.D
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Nope, not his house and and someone house, usually using this to offer rank promotions.
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SSG William Zopff III
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In the Army, we are usually a team, some units are more like family; except for newer members and/or individuals. While these newer members/individuals will eventually become more like family; initially they don’t get or understand what the leadership is about. Helping out a team member is something that you just do! Even maybe when it seems that they don’t deserve the help (a mess of their owb making); but remember, it just seems that they don’t. We all need a helping hand from time to time; as we don’t know or understand the dynamics in another persons life. You need to change your prospective from it being a lawful order to an official request to help another person. This change of perspective will help build your character and view of life in general. Think about it this way; its not about you!
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SSG Dave Johnston
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Edited 3 y ago
I want to hear the follow up... What did command do in regard to the soldier, his spouse, and the dog??? dog not house broke, quarters uninhabitable particularly due to the dog and no "care plan" regarding the dog if deployed... and a husband and wife with no housekeeping skills,

Or was the whole thing staged by the soldier to get out of the field exercise??? Hummm?
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SGT Joseph Dutton
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Edited 3 y ago
If it is off post housing and not supported by the military, then no. It could be considered as invasion of privacy even though you was asked to do Dog Setting. The commander that you report to should contact the Local Health Department / Landlord to make the report. If on post housing or military supported housing then must be report it to the Post/Base Housing Section. A command cannot order anyone or a crew to clean ones house. There was an similar event at FT. Sill Oklahoma and the wife filled a Lawsuit against the command for invasion of privacy because the house was in town. Before we knew it, they was transferred out to another post/base out of state.
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SSG Shawn Mcfadden
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Well, the PL gave an order. I do want to ask was the house on base of off base?
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SSgt Eric Owens
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Well there's lawful orders then there's abuse of authority for personal gain which is exactly what ordering an active duty person to clean your house would be. This would be an abuse of authority. Our active duty members were the uniform of the Armed Forces for the sole purpose of national defense and all enemies foreign and domestic. NOT to clean someone's personal property. That's what civilian cleaning services are for. The cause and responsibility of such abusive conduct starts at the top at the White House and the Pentagon. Get rid of all the woke, weak, snowflake leadership and replace them with real men and real leaders. Then and only then will we have the military we once had. My opinions are my own. They do not reflect that of any other individual or organization and I will NOT apologize for anything.
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TSgt Michael Brandt
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OK first off I’m old-school strategic air command Air Force. In SAC we always said if you take care of your people then the mission will succeed.
The one thing here that I’m not seeing is compassion for your fellow service members and why I say that is one of the things about being depressed or dealing with PTSD or any kind of a mental health issues is a huge hurdle for service members we all know that we don’t want to admit it because of the culture inside the military or out.
Being unkept whether it’s the person or they’re home or both we should be gladly helping out when we can. Reporting and helping clean up the area is job one not only are we bringing attention from higher up we are also showing support to our brother or sister in arms that they are not alone.
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