Posted on Aug 17, 2015
Changes for NCOs: New requirements and promotion points. Have You Heard?
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Starting Jan. 1, soldiers must meet new education requirements to get promoted to sergeant and staff sergeant.
These troops will also have to contend with a revised promotion point chart — one that favors soldiers with more education and better PT, marksmanship and foreign language skills.
Under the revised chart “combat experience” will no longer earn you extra points.
The changes are the first phase in a three-phase strategy to expand STEP among the NCO ranks. STEP stands for “select, train, educate and promote.”
Later in 2016, education requirements will also become mandatory to make sergeant first class. STEP extends to master sergeant promotions in 2017.
“This is not just a specialist to sergeant requirement,” said Sergeant Major of the Army Dan Dailey. “Every NCO will have to follow STEP, so that’s a major change.”
Check out this article from Army Times:
Changes for NCOs: New requirements and promotion points
http://www.armytimes.com/story/military/careers/army/enlisted/2015/08/17/changes-ncos-new-requirements-and-promotion-points/31410931/
These troops will also have to contend with a revised promotion point chart — one that favors soldiers with more education and better PT, marksmanship and foreign language skills.
Under the revised chart “combat experience” will no longer earn you extra points.
The changes are the first phase in a three-phase strategy to expand STEP among the NCO ranks. STEP stands for “select, train, educate and promote.”
Later in 2016, education requirements will also become mandatory to make sergeant first class. STEP extends to master sergeant promotions in 2017.
“This is not just a specialist to sergeant requirement,” said Sergeant Major of the Army Dan Dailey. “Every NCO will have to follow STEP, so that’s a major change.”
Check out this article from Army Times:
Changes for NCOs: New requirements and promotion points
http://www.armytimes.com/story/military/careers/army/enlisted/2015/08/17/changes-ncos-new-requirements-and-promotion-points/31410931/
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Disgusting. A military that doesn't value combat experience. Guess all the deployment dodgers finally got a say.
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CPT (Join to see) - No guarantees; Leaders should be well rounded to include combat experience.
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SSG (Join to see) - So if a soldiers gets DA select Recruiter as a SGT and can't deploy should he not be promoted to SSG due to his lack of combat experience?
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CPT (Join to see) - So if a soldier comes down on multiple deployment orders as a SGT and can't attend civilian education courses not be promoted to SSG due to his unit's OPTEMPO, resulting in his lack of civilian education?
Kind of makes me feel like the mid to late 90s are returning again.
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It's people who will never deploy who will be made leaders over multiple deployment soldiers. I thought the main reason behind military was development and training to defend the country in times of need. I also posted this same link
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Been a joe with no deployment experience, I think this is a mistake and would love to hear the thought process behind this new system. When we train and talk about how our job is different in theatre, we depend on the people that have deployed. Anyone can pay for training or education, but not deployment experience.
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SSG (Join to see), You've done a great job in and out of the Army. Now you're on the streets fighting those life saving battles. Good for you.
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I completely agree with this. I know I am an officer but I was an NCO for a while. I have seen a drop in the quality of NCOs. I even shared a portion of this on FB.
“Being qualified at your skill level and military occupational specialty requires a complement of all three leadership development domains – institutional, operational and self-development,” Dailey said. “In the past we have allowed people to attain the rank, in some cases two ranks, above their institutional experience. That is not the case now.” SMA Dailey.
That is truth. So many just think because you can shoot a gun that you don't have to do any professional development. I hate to tell them but when you are a PSG shooting a guy is one of the last of your priorities. At that level you can really do some damage to your own soldiers if you don't know what you are doing. If you have ever seen a soldier that thinks all he has to do is fight write a NCO without help he will be damaging that younger NCOs career. It is a lack of institutional knowledge. The Army is an institution where we have to professional develop and improve. We just can't sit around and wait to deploy again.
“Being qualified at your skill level and military occupational specialty requires a complement of all three leadership development domains – institutional, operational and self-development,” Dailey said. “In the past we have allowed people to attain the rank, in some cases two ranks, above their institutional experience. That is not the case now.” SMA Dailey.
That is truth. So many just think because you can shoot a gun that you don't have to do any professional development. I hate to tell them but when you are a PSG shooting a guy is one of the last of your priorities. At that level you can really do some damage to your own soldiers if you don't know what you are doing. If you have ever seen a soldier that thinks all he has to do is fight write a NCO without help he will be damaging that younger NCOs career. It is a lack of institutional knowledge. The Army is an institution where we have to professional develop and improve. We just can't sit around and wait to deploy again.
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That's actually not factual at all, I'm in a combined arms unit and were presently deployed and already know our next deployment time and location. You can still support an overhaul of the promotion system and believe this decision is admittedly stupid.
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SSG (Join to see) - I am more or less looking at the units that are have commonly went to Afghan. I was with your BCT for a while. Your 4-10 Cav took over for us. But I am in a CAB too. It was not a traditional deployment.
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SSG Jim Foreman
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I understand your point of view but don't you think combat experience should count for something at the board? As far as your statement about your sister-in-law being punished for not deploying, isn't that what will happen to the combat soldier?
I understand your point of view but don't you think combat experience should count for something at the board? As far as your statement about your sister-in-law being punished for not deploying, isn't that what will happen to the combat soldier?
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SSG Jim Foreman - I think it warrant recognition but I seen the awards you can get for deploying being something that already give you a boost. But I have been in since 2000. I recall a peace time army. Very few have been to combat. It is only a matter of time until that happens again. When do we address that. And I think the quality of the service should have more effect on their promotion. If they deploy and get a 3/3 on their NCOER that should mean something. He shouldn't get any favor in the promotion process for deploying and sucking while he was there. But that is what you would be doing.
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I firmly believe that promotion points should be awarded for deployments. It sets you apart from your peers who dropped packets to drill or recruiting to hide from combat. It doesn't affect me anymore as I'm retired, but it should be looked at.
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Having been an E-7, I can say something about this. The Army needs educated NCO, at the same time it should value its combat experienced soldiers. Priority for schools, IMHO should be given to those who have gone to the most tours, as they have had the least opportunities to move forward in their respective NCOES. That would seem to give an edge of fairness. Likewise, to sit back and say I did X amount of tours and haven't done anything else, is a cop out. You need to be balanced.
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It's foolishness. While I agree that an educated Army is a better one no amount of schooling or training can substitute for real world experience. Any egg head can apply their craft in pristine conditions but lives are saved and wars won by men and women capable of doing business with a fraction of the required resources in the most austere conditions.
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