Posted on Jun 26, 2015
Chasing points is the worst thing the army came up with
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Dnt you just hate when you wait a whole month for points to come out and then find out you missed cut off by 5 points
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The Army didn't come up with 'chasing points'...the Army provides an opportunity for each qualified Soldiers to earn a promotion based on current needs.
What have YOU done to earn those extra 5 points?
- Did you earn a 300 on your last APFT?
- Did you fire 40 out of 40 on the range?
- How man college classes have you completed? With one point per semester hour, completing two classes would have been 6 to 8 points.
- Have you maximized your military education?
- Have you volunteered your time and earned the Military Outstanding Volunteer Service Medal (MOVSM)? That's 10 points by itself.
What have YOU done to earn those extra 5 points?
- Did you earn a 300 on your last APFT?
- Did you fire 40 out of 40 on the range?
- How man college classes have you completed? With one point per semester hour, completing two classes would have been 6 to 8 points.
- Have you maximized your military education?
- Have you volunteered your time and earned the Military Outstanding Volunteer Service Medal (MOVSM)? That's 10 points by itself.
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SFC Steven Borders
SGM Matthew Quick Respectfully SGM not everyone can score a 300 on the APFT or score a 40 out of 40. I know it is up to the person to achieve those points and I know everything takes time but I really do think that the Army needs to rethink it's promotion system. Because you have SPC's becoming SGT's so quick just because of the MOS they are in and know nothing about being a leader. And you will have SPC's that are fully capable that just cannot get the 798 and are stuck with the only option of reclass. Just my thoughts though.
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LTC Kevin B.
CPL (Join to see),
I like the point system, at the level it's being used. Of course, I can certainly understand (and appreciate) the anxiety and angst with watching for the numbers each month.
I think of it as a quantifiable way to measure your portfolio of skills. The higher your score, the larger your portfolio (it's certainly not perfect, but it serves a useful purpose). As the needs of the Army change at the E-5 and E-6 levels (promotions to E-6 and E-7, retirements, reclassifications, ETSs, etc.), the Army then turns to the E-4 and E-5 ranks to promote those with the best (i.e. biggest) portfolios at that particular point in time (by moving the cutoff line up and down to where needed). From a human resource management perspective, that process works when you have large numbers of people, and you need a simplified way to screen out the best qualified. It wouldn't be appropriate at the higher levels, when you have a better ability to screen through the records of a smaller number of people.
The best thing you can do is to make your portfolio as large as possible, and then wait until the Army's need for you arises (and the line drops below your score). Every point helps. Best of luck to you.
I like the point system, at the level it's being used. Of course, I can certainly understand (and appreciate) the anxiety and angst with watching for the numbers each month.
I think of it as a quantifiable way to measure your portfolio of skills. The higher your score, the larger your portfolio (it's certainly not perfect, but it serves a useful purpose). As the needs of the Army change at the E-5 and E-6 levels (promotions to E-6 and E-7, retirements, reclassifications, ETSs, etc.), the Army then turns to the E-4 and E-5 ranks to promote those with the best (i.e. biggest) portfolios at that particular point in time (by moving the cutoff line up and down to where needed). From a human resource management perspective, that process works when you have large numbers of people, and you need a simplified way to screen out the best qualified. It wouldn't be appropriate at the higher levels, when you have a better ability to screen through the records of a smaller number of people.
The best thing you can do is to make your portfolio as large as possible, and then wait until the Army's need for you arises (and the line drops below your score). Every point helps. Best of luck to you.
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SGM Matthew Quick
I don't say this often on social media, but unless you're medically unqualified, "not everyone can score a 300 on the APFT" is bullshit.
Soldiers can continue to make excuses, SFC Steven Borders or Soldiers can make it happen. It just takes extra work for some...it's up to them if they choose to put in that work or not.
Soldiers can continue to make excuses, SFC Steven Borders or Soldiers can make it happen. It just takes extra work for some...it's up to them if they choose to put in that work or not.
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I'd like to see the Army adopt something like the Air Force and Navy have with routine re-qualifications and tests on MOS skills...
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SSG (Join to see)
Agreed, sir. How can it be proved a potential NCO can lead in his MOS based on basic Soldiering questions asked during a promotion board?
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SGT Bryon Sergent
We used to have the SQT test. I took the last one right after I completed basic and was at my permanent station. Bring it back. Although you might not have any openings left in the Infantry if you do!
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CPL (Join to see), I wouldn't have minded that so much.
Try having the highest point total in the battalion, but getting on the list 2 months after they raised the E-6 cut-off to 998 and all you can do is watch your TIS and TIG points tick up month by month.
Try having the highest point total in the battalion, but getting on the list 2 months after they raised the E-6 cut-off to 998 and all you can do is watch your TIS and TIG points tick up month by month.
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