Posted on Feb 9, 2023
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The whole “convert the CIB” conversation is getting you off the course you need to be on. The CIB certificate seems to be a novelty notion from the unit. If you and your Unit rated the Combat Action Ribbon then there should be documentation about this and the first course of action needs to be contacting your Marine unit and the adjutant. They are the ones who need to fix this.
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Hate to tell you, but this is just a pretty piece of paper which can be hung on your wall. Even if you were Army, it doesn't give you the legal rights to wear the award - there is no orders number. I am hoping you received real orders with this? If not you are SOL. With out orders, NFG
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MAJ Ronnie Reams
MAJ Ronnie Reams - Also, the LTC does not have his component listed in signature block, the SGM is RA. No USA, USAR nor NGUS in CO's block.
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MAJ Ronnie Reams
MAJ Ronnie Reams - Well, also for LTGs and GENs since Major General i the highest USA rank.
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SGM Mikel Dawson
Sgt Minh Tan - Great, you got orders, then contact your Marine records department, they should be able to help.
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The CIB is the Infantry’s version of a CAB. If you are not Infantry. I do not believe you can wear the CIB, someone will correct. Instead your Marine unit if you were deployed with them should have submitted the appropriate type of Combat award through the Army COC and then to be validated by the appropriate level within the Marines. You should still be able to have either or corrected even now.
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SGM Mikel Dawson
And even not all infantrymen can get it. I was there 03-04, 11Z yet because I was not assigned to an Infantry unit, BDE, Regimental or below, I could not be awarded.
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SSG (Join to see)
The CIB is the Combat Infantryman's Badge, not a "version" of the CAB. The CIB and CAB are two different awards with entirely different criteria. The individual seeking guidance should have been directed to the Marine Corps or Navy administrative departments to get the correct guidance on what they need to do. What we all say here don't matter one bit because they are the ones that will make the official decision on whether or not he rates the award.
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CSM Darieus ZaGara
SSG (Join to see) I am well aware of the criteria for both, version: A particular form of something differing in certain respects from an earlier form or other forms of the same type of thing.
The CIB came first. The CAB came about as a way to award those who are not infantry by recognizing their direct contact with the enemy during a combat operation.
My comment was just that. Everyone has an opinion as tobthe validity, rather the necessity for either. I was tryingvto keep my respknse distinct not placing my own bias. Thank you for your comments.
The CIB came first. The CAB came about as a way to award those who are not infantry by recognizing their direct contact with the enemy during a combat operation.
My comment was just that. Everyone has an opinion as tobthe validity, rather the necessity for either. I was tryingvto keep my respknse distinct not placing my own bias. Thank you for your comments.
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Sgt Minh Tan Read Section E, Paragraph 1 & 2. It appears that the Army Commander should have submitted a personal award recommendation for the CAR to CMC (MMMA) for consideration.
https://www.marines.mil/News/Messages/MARADMINS/Article/895299/revised-eligibility-criteria-for-award-of-the-combat-action-ribbon-car-and-upda/#:~:text=(1)%20NAVY%20AND%20MARINE%20CORPS,NAVY%20OR%20MARINE%20CORPS%20UNIFORM.
https://www.marines.mil/News/Messages/MARADMINS/Article/895299/revised-eligibility-criteria-for-award-of-the-combat-action-ribbon-car-and-upda/#:~:text=(1)%20NAVY%20AND%20MARINE%20CORPS,NAVY%20OR%20MARINE%20CORPS%20UNIFORM.
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LTC Kevin B.
Sgt Minh Tan - Okay. I'll adjust your question so others can chime in with the right answers.
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SFC (Join to see)
Sorry, but that's not a real CIB. The Commander and CSM who signed that document should know that, and that's kind of a dirty trick to play on someone. A battalion commander is not the approval authority for a CIB and they both knew that before giving you this document
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Sgt Minh Tan
SFC (Join to see) dang, thank you for clearing that up,thought it was a bit strange that we we're awarded arbourne patches and CIBs
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Brother, you need to contact the Marine Corps or Navy HR departments and follow their guidance. None of us on here can give you the correct answer because you NEED an official answer from your service branch. Any questions concerning your records or whatever documents you may have from your service needs to go through them, not RallyPoint. Start with the Navy and they will point you in the right direction for the Marine Corps records updates:
https://www.mynavyhr.navy.mil/Career-Management/Records-Management/Decorations-and-Medals/
https://www.mynavyhr.navy.mil/Career-Management/Records-Management/Decorations-and-Medals/
Decorations and Medals (Awards)
The official website for MyNavy HR / Navy Personnel Command
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Mostly likely you can't. The award comes from the approval authority. At that time it seems that the Army was the higher authority. I have ever seen a CIB Certificate. The Certificate is not recognized as a validating document. You would have to actually have orders. I have attached my CIB orders from when I was in Iraq. You would have to have an orders number. If you don't it may have been more of an honorary award. After, reading the regulation I can confirm that you were only honorarily given a CIB and you were not actually awarded one. Because you were a Marine you were ineligible to be awarded one. This is the same with the Marine combat patches. I have seen Marines that were in combat wear a Marine Division Patch as a combat Patch. The Combat Patch is an Army award that is only awarded to Soldiers. If you were a Marine at the time you couldn't be awarded an Army combat patch.
"A Soldier must be an Army infantry or SF officer (SSI 11 or 18) in the grade of COL/O–6 or below, or an Armyenlisted Soldier or warrant officer with an infantry or SF MOS who, subsequent to 6 December 1941, has satisfactorilyperformed duty while assigned or attached as a member of an infantry, ranger, or SF unit of either a brigade,regimental, or smaller size during any period such unit was engaged in active ground combat. Eligibility for SFpersonnel in MOSs 18B, 18C, 18E, 18F, and 18Z (less 18D–SF medical sergeant) accrues from 20 December 1989.Retroactive awards of the CIB to SF personnel are not authorized prior to 20 December 1989."
https://www.marines.mil/News/Messages/MARADMINS/Article/895299/revised-eligibility-criteria-for-award-of-the-combat-action-ribbon-car-and-upda/#:~:text=(1)%20NAVY%20AND%20MARINE%20CORPS,NAVY%20OR%20MARINE%20CORPS%20UNIFORM
According to Marine Corps Policy MARADMINS Number: 038/13
(2) U.S. MARINE CORPS PERSONNEL PERMANENTLY OR TEMPORARILY ASSIGNED TO U.S. ARMY OR U.S. AIR FORCE COMMANDS ARE NOT ELIGIBLE TO ACCEPT, WEAR OR RETAIN THE CIB, THE CAB, OR THE CAM. IN CASES WHERE A MARINE'S ACTIONS IN COMBAT MEET THE ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA FOR THE CIB, CAB, OR CAM, THE U.S. ARMY OR U.S. AIR FORCE COMMANDER MAY SUBMIT A PERSONAL AWARD RECOMMENDATION FOR THE CAR TO CMC (MMMA) FOR CONSIDERATION.
It looks likes like the recommendation was never submitted. You could try to submit your documents to the CMC and they might but if the command didn't submit it then you might have an issue.
"A Soldier must be an Army infantry or SF officer (SSI 11 or 18) in the grade of COL/O–6 or below, or an Armyenlisted Soldier or warrant officer with an infantry or SF MOS who, subsequent to 6 December 1941, has satisfactorilyperformed duty while assigned or attached as a member of an infantry, ranger, or SF unit of either a brigade,regimental, or smaller size during any period such unit was engaged in active ground combat. Eligibility for SFpersonnel in MOSs 18B, 18C, 18E, 18F, and 18Z (less 18D–SF medical sergeant) accrues from 20 December 1989.Retroactive awards of the CIB to SF personnel are not authorized prior to 20 December 1989."
https://www.marines.mil/News/Messages/MARADMINS/Article/895299/revised-eligibility-criteria-for-award-of-the-combat-action-ribbon-car-and-upda/#:~:text=(1)%20NAVY%20AND%20MARINE%20CORPS,NAVY%20OR%20MARINE%20CORPS%20UNIFORM
According to Marine Corps Policy MARADMINS Number: 038/13
(2) U.S. MARINE CORPS PERSONNEL PERMANENTLY OR TEMPORARILY ASSIGNED TO U.S. ARMY OR U.S. AIR FORCE COMMANDS ARE NOT ELIGIBLE TO ACCEPT, WEAR OR RETAIN THE CIB, THE CAB, OR THE CAM. IN CASES WHERE A MARINE'S ACTIONS IN COMBAT MEET THE ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA FOR THE CIB, CAB, OR CAM, THE U.S. ARMY OR U.S. AIR FORCE COMMANDER MAY SUBMIT A PERSONAL AWARD RECOMMENDATION FOR THE CAR TO CMC (MMMA) FOR CONSIDERATION.
It looks likes like the recommendation was never submitted. You could try to submit your documents to the CMC and they might but if the command didn't submit it then you might have an issue.
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