Posted on Nov 4, 2014
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Concealed carry
Should uniformed military be allowed to conceal carry any were in the U.S. with a CAC as a license due to increased threats to military personnel?
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SPC Elijah J. Henry, MBA
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Georgia allows all Georgia and United States Military to carry openly or concealed without a permit, thus Georgia has Constitutional Carry for Military.

We need Constitutional Carry for civilians, too, in every State, territory, and district, and we need it now.

Since when do we need government permission slips for Constitutionally protected rights?
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If I'd known Georgia has Constitutional Carry for service members, I might have saved $75 last October. But it's all right.
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SPC Elijah J. Henry, MBA
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MAJ (Join to see) - I'm not sure about other bases and units, but Fort Benning policy is that SMs must have a carry permit to carry, even though State law says otherwise.
I got mine for the sake of reciprocity.
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I've got both IDs, just nothing to carry-- yet!
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SSG Robert Webster
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SFC James J. Palmer IV aka "JP4" - If you consider 5 years relatively new, yes.
Can carry concealed at 21 years old or older and open carry at 18 years or older without a permit for both residents and nonresidents.
Though on base you do have to abide by base, service branch, and DoD regulations and policies.
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I've been saying this for years. Massachusetts is a headache when it comes to doing it.. both physically and fiscally. With the required "safety class" and the application fee you're looking at $200-300. That's IF you live in a town with a police chief that issues them. There are some communities where the police chief will deny you and make you take it before a judge. Then you're looking at that too.

Whether you're actively serving or retired, I think that should act as your concealed carry permit regardless of where you are in the country.
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SGT Daniel H.
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SSG (Join to see), not that I disagree with you, but why only those two categories (actively serving and retired)? Haven't honorably discharged veterans also earned that right? And what about guard and reserves, or do you consider them part of your "actively serving" category?
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Guard and Reserves fall under the Actively Serving. I specified those two particular groups because those are the only two groups that hold ID cards. You could consider someone who ETS'd under good terms retired too for the sake of this particular discussion.

In Alabama, if you've been in the service and you can provide a DD214 they'll annotate on your DL that you're a veteran, right next to where it says you're an organ donor. If all states did that then anyone who has served and been discharged honorably for whatever reason could get around a carry permit.
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I've read most of the comments here. As a former active duty Soldier, a National Guard Soldier, and now a Reserve Soldier (as well as a concealed carry permit holder in SD and MN) I would say "yes." We've had more weapons training as a whole than many civilians and know ROE better than most as well. In the civilian realm I was trained not to play the hero and confront a perp vs. drawing my Glock and trying to save the day unless the threat is well, really throwing a threat. Convenience store clerks are mostly taught to just turn over the money than risk their lives over the cash register as insurance companies will do what they are paid to do after the fact. It's all about keeping your head and analyzing the situation. On post/base, well, I know we kept loaded M4s and M9s around while deployed so what the heck, why not keep that mentality while at home? I say "yes."
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This is an excellent proposition,

Personally I would be happy if we, as veterans, were even allowed to carry on base with a CCW. It astounds me that we are required to carry a weapon on bases in Afghanistan (those who have deployed know there is low chance of needing to use it on base) and yet we are not even allowed to carry on bases back in the states, despite multiple on base shootings that have occurred. Someone who has the intent to come onto base and commit mass murder does not care if there is a "rule" barring them from bringing that weapon onto post. I will admit it prevents someone who just suddenly 'snaps' from having immediate access to a weapon, but should their altered state of mind last longer than a few moments, it would be fairly easy for them to drive off base, retrieve a weapon, and return.

Ultimately I don't understand why we are authorized to defend ourselves from enemies abroad but not at home.
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Sir, your argument that someone who has the intent is going to do it regardless of whether there are rules in place is simple logic. Therefore, it is not valid. You can't use logic and facts when arguing gun control or where we should and shouldn't be able to carry.

I mean heck... look... as gun control measures have increased over the years, so have the likelihood of mass shootings. Who would have ever thought that would happen!!?
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SFC Boots Attaway
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SSG (Join to see) , you are so right when it comes to gun control and logic, those who are for it loose all logic. It is like a drunk driver who thinks nothing will happen and they are in control.
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I think it's a great idea. Obviously they will want us to take a class, but that's a small price to pay to protect ourselves, our families, and our battle buddies.
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Very true
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SSG Jeremy Siebenaller
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CAC holder or not...It's your right as an American to carry a gun! If they can send you overseas with an automatic weapon and PLENTY of ammo to do something stupid, but NOT let you carry a side arm while at your home base....Who's the dumbie
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SSG THAT IS WHAT DIVES ME CRAZY.....BUT WE'RE ALWAYS TOLU ABOUT THE TREATS AT HOME AND LEGALY I CAN DO ANYTHING!
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Capt Richard I P.: I read your ten points. I have a few questions: I'm a gun owner, I'm now retired from the military (26+ years, with the last 10 in Special Operations). I'm now a "civilian". I'm also a DoD Contractor. I work on base. I have a Contractor CAC Card. I am hoping to become a GS Department of Defense or Department of the Army Civilian.

What do you propose for Civilians who work for the DoD or other defense agencies?
What do you propose for Retirees?
What do you propose for Contractors, especially those who are not "temporary" contractors (that is, they provide continued service to the DoD, rather than they are there to build new barracks and then move on).
Last, what about family members? My wife, for example, was the 2009 Fort Bragg Women's Trap Champion. She has taken it upon herself to become an expert in weapons, and she has a CCW permit issued by our state. In fact, my wife is a much better shot with a shotgun against a high-rate of speed moving target with a shotgun than I am (but I'm better with a rifle and pistol than she is). I believe she has just as much of a right to defend herself from evil as I do, and in fact, one of the goals of terrorists is to terrorize by killing not just Soldiers, but specifically targeting their families. ESPECIALLY if those Soldiers are deployed where not only can a terrorist destroy something good, but also force the military to take a Soldier off the battlefield (Afghanistan for example) because now that Soldier has to come home and bury his family - let alone deal with the grief of such a tragedy - so he/she will be out of the battle for a minimum of 6-12 months or probably longer.

Both my daughter's can shoot as well.

How would you propose we handle those situations?

Thanks.

V/R

Marc
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Capt Richard I P.
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SFC (Join to see) Good points about a need for further expansion, some similar comments were made by Veteran and current Government Civilian PV2 (Join to see) she and I hashed over it a bit and I think our best bet is to gain momentum with active and reserve forces and try to expand it from there. in the same way LEOSA has been expanded to include first Federal LE then Military LE we can further expand an improved version to active and reserve members, then push onward to retired, separated and family members.

In the interim, obviously I would recommend having family members seek CCWs in the state they reside in as yours have.

Thanks for the input!
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I agree with your method, Capt Richard I P. . If we try to take too much too fast it will only get shot down. Better to go slow and give the liberals fewer reasons to foam at the mouth and scream bloody mary.
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Edited 11 y ago
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Thanks for taking the time to write that letter. I will be sure to pass it along to some of my friends as well.
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Capt Richard I P.
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PO3 (Join to see) Awesome! don't forget to vote and comment on the new discussion so more RP members can find it!
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Capt Richard I P.
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MSgt Allan Folsom Awesome, thanks for the support, head back over to the other thread http://www.rallypoint.com/answers/arm-the-armed-forces and keep an eye on it, LTC Paul Heinlein made a great point, and we're going to hold our communication so we can coordinate and hit the new congress with one massive message all at once.
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I remember they brought up a bill similar to this shortly after Hood, but it quietly died away, just like most other issues the public doesn't care about.
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Hell yes... One of my battles died in the Ft. Hood shooting, sad day for America. If there were armed personnel I guarantee lives would've been saved.
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Roger I agree......I worked with SFC Ferguson on my first deployment. ...He also died in a shooting at ft hood....we need more soldiers protecting each other !
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Absolutely, we are a Family and it's just a disgrace that guys go oversees to combat zones and live to come home just to be killed or injured by someone who is supposed to put other soldiers lives above their own.
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I agree brother I really do!
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Capt Richard I P.
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SGT (Join to see) I'm very sorry to hear you lost a friend in that attack on one of our own bases. How backwards is it that our "Armed Forces" are prohibited from being armed at work? Any ideas on improving the 10 points toward the top?
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I know in Georgia your CAC is your concealed carry. I went ahead and got the actual license just to be safe and for when I travel, it is reciprocal in a lot of states.
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First off, I am a huge proponent of our 2nd amendment rights. To answer this question though, I would have to say "no" for one reason. There are service members who have been convicted of DV and assault. These members are legally not allowed to have a firearm, but they do have a CAC card.
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Can you remain in the military if you have been convicted of DV or assault? My understanding is that at that point you would fall under the Lautenberg amendment banning you from possessing a firearm. Servicemembers are not exempt from this, and would they be allowed to continue serving if they could not take up arms?
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If they are in violation of the Lautenberg Amendment they should be separated.
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SPC Jeff Daley, PhD - CAC is a military ID
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SPC Jeff Daley, PhD - The conversation is regarding current service members which is why I made my original comment.
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