Posted on Nov 4, 2014
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Concealed carry
Should uniformed military be allowed to conceal carry any were in the U.S. with a CAC as a license due to increased threats to military personnel?
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SSgt Charles Edwards
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As a former Air Force cop, I would have to say the only people allowed to carry on post are authorized personnel (I.e. MP/SF/MA, OSI/CID, etc). Now, this is solely based on how things are in today's military. Active shooter has been a common trend than it was in year's past and allowing anyone on base to carry could increase the liklihood of such an event occurring. Second, PTSD has been a huge part of many military units and bases. While the people and support are in place to help deal with it, the disorder itself can make a service member unpredictable and allowing them to carry on post makes them more of a threat. Third, military police have enough to worry about without having to wonder if the next person they pull over is armed (and potentially dangerous). Ultimately, allowing military members to carry on base could result in an increased number of shootings--accidental and otherwise. In closing, most bases allow for the proper transport of personal weapons so AD, veterans and dependents can go out to the range or drop off or pick up at the base armory. During my time in service, a log was kept of who owned a firearm on base and had it stored in a service member's residence. This information was valuable, especially during domestic calls. Safety is priority one for the military and keeping everyone whole has been and always will be vital to the mission.
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Coming from a state with extremely relaxed gun laws, Vermont, this idea is a reality for me. Within our unit we have full time law enforcement officers and brand new privates that exercise their right to carry (open and concealed in VT). More often then not, the people (not acting as soldiers while carrying) are responsible and contentious with their carrying and follow recognized etiquette. However there are, even within my small detachment 30pax, irresponsible and negligent soldiers that cross into less than professional behavior with their weapons off duty. Many factors play into this scenario but for the purpose of this thread I think it's important to recognize the false sense of preparedness that being a soldier and even being an MP provides, and especially the effect it has on a soldiers ego. Plainly, you have a fair amount of soldiers who get false bravado from being a soldier and get a little too big for their britches. This coupled with the ability to carry concealed across the country could easily play out into mistakes being made. To me it's not a question of rights but a question of being a responsible organization and recognizing realities.
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I don't think that it's a matter of not materializing, but one of not publicizing the acts when they do occur. Soldiers aren't going to push it up to their PSG or even TL's when they have acted out of line with a firearm, most of these incidents would occur off duty, without contract with LEOs. Anything from storing a firearm in an unsafe manner to drawing as an aggressor not in defense. So many acts are under the radar.
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I like the idea of military being allowed to conceal carry however there should be another type of id for the purpose of concealed carry there are soldiers who are not trained on pistols, DA civilians and contractors have they same type of card and may not have any type of weapons training, some soldier like chaplains that receive no weapons training. Many soldier don't qualify on the pistol just rifle. Also soldiers that are flagged for UCMJ violations for certain crimes should not be able to carry. I am also sure that there are other good reason that a Soldier should not carry. I would like the ability for all solders to be able to carry concealed however there needs to be training for that and a it needs to be a separate permit I would also like to see that separate permit apply of post as well as on post in all 50 states.
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SGM Robin Johnson - MAJ Carl Ballinger SGM I would agree with you that there are and should be some limits to carrying and owning a gun those on probation or parole, felons and some places where weapons should not be carred the court room, mental ward, Jail. As a few examples however it should not be so much or so hard that it amount to a probation agist the owning or carring of a weapon. SGM I will also like to make a point about that graff of yours is that it includes all gun related deaths accidents, Suisides and Assults. I belveve that they are seperat issues and need to be handled seperatly.
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SGM Robin Johnson - Also I would like to make the point about the benefits of gun control look at Chicago, LA, and New York. They have some of the tuffist gun laws and yet they have some of the higest murder rates way more then Atlanta or Dalas. I would say that gun laws have not helped the murder rate go down just the number of people who comit suiside by fire arms.
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MAJ Carl Ballinger The problem is that they have read in a lot more then what is there. To often They rule on what they want and not on what the law said.
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MAJ Carl Ballinger - That is very true Sir. Sadly many people don't read the constitution or understand how it restricts the federal government. Also many mix up the job of the state and federal governments. They are both independent and can fill different rolls.
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SSG Donald Mceuen
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Yes with all the threats they need to stay ready
we do have some very sick nut case's out there
we don't need to be like the westerns.
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I don't see this happening for many reasons to include returning 1st time deployers, Alcohol and the average Military personnel, infidelity, did I say Alcohol, and the fact that if you speak to Military personnel you will find that They advise that there are many Military Personnel that should not carry outside a very controlled environment with Green 2's and clearing barrels, and active involved management. And Alcohol.
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PFC Wheeled Vehicle Mechanic
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Yes. If service members leave post or are in civilians they should be able to carry concealed weapons, I agree with this 100% Sergeant
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PO1 Leading Petty Officer (Lpo)
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Speaking as an active duty service member, not all service members are trained to or capable of responsibly carrying a firearm. I would endorse this if it came with a requirement for a firearms handling course and minimum range time.
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SSG Infantryman
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I can't imagine many of the leaders I have met in the Army carrying a pistol or even worse, reacting to a threat. Just because someone wears a military uniform does not mean they are qualified to always carry a loaded gun and for this to come to pass we could all expect a horrendous initial block of instruction with monthly classes added to our already busy schedules. No thanks!
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SFC Deputy Station Commander
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Agreed.
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Cpl Karl Gleason
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I have a question on this. I am visiting my Son at Ft. LENORDWOOD soon and I carry everywhere I go. I have a department permit and a State of Michigan permit. I am driving so I plan on taking my handgun. Where do I secure it when I go on base?
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good question!!! with the proper paper work and as long as there is separation from ammo and firearm, with a copy of your leave form you should be ok. once you get to the gate I would further verify with the guards on duty because though the military is federally ordained, they all have they're own policy for things like this. I'm sure they won't deny you access for inquiring.
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