Posted on Nov 4, 2014
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Concealed carry
Should uniformed military be allowed to conceal carry any were in the U.S. with a CAC as a license due to increased threats to military personnel?
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I believe that Officers, NCO's and MP's should be allowed to carry at all times. Yes, this could be another threat increase; but at the same time it's more protection.
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During deployment we are required to carry loaded weapons around base. With the exception that we are generally talking about federal land and state issued CHL's the first thing should be to get federal recognition for each state CHL to have reciprocity between all states (i am not in favor of a Federal CHL, I want my money to stay in the state). Once recognized then it should be easy to let CHL holders carry on post. I do not think they should be CAC holders in addition to CHL. If a retiree or contractor has a CHL then he should be able to protect himself to and from any military post; not leave his weapon at home or have to check in his weapon at the gate because his wants to enter federal lands.
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SFC (Join to see) We're actually talking about the federal government taking a step on this, rather than just passively recognizing state CHLs. Have you taken a look at the recommended 10 points for broad policy? Any suggestions on improving them? If so comment on that thread so i'll see it.
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Capt Richard I P. I have not looked at that but will do so and see if I have input.
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There have been several bills before Congress over the last few years that would have mandated universal reciprocity for all CCW licenses/permits, but obviously none of them have been passed.

High standards would need to be adopted by the DOD to determine eligibility for carrying on/off post. Each State I've been licensed in has required different levels of training (some only required my CAC as proof of service and therefore some weapons training).

I look forward to deployments where a weapon issue and carry is mandatory. We're all actively doing our part to defend our base and each other.
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MSgt (Join to see) What do you think about our 10 points? Think they have a better chance than those other bills? Any Ideas on how to improve them?
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I do Believe soldier should be able to conceal carry as they see fit. My only issue is if they have mental issues that they are under treatment for, if they are brand new or never been around fied to be well trained with them first and varified first. Other than that us carry is no different than when we are over seas or on base doing weapons qual.
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I think most people would be surprised as to how many states make it almost that easy as long as you pay the fee. I personally like open carry due to the deterrence factor. An ounce of prevention... just my two cents
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Capt Richard I P.
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SSG (Join to see) The reasonableness of most states does little for us when on base, and nothing for those posted in less free states, take a look at the 10 points above and let us know what you think!
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the issue with on-base v. off-base is that on base is federal land and off base is state land. the state laws have little influence over what's going on on base. you also have to look at the PMO. That person is essentially sheriff of the post. I know we're all trained to use weapons safely, but it comes down to what the PMO and Garrison CDRs allow.
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SSG (Join to see) That's exactly why we need people to write their congressional reps to get federal law changed. I created a new discussion to post the outcome of advice from this answer, a skeleton letter to congress for anyone to use, and some coordinating instructions to maximize our impact check it out here:

http://www.rallypoint.com/answers/arm-the-armed-forces
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This law is so antiquated. I'm pretty sure the terrorists won't worry if they are on state vs. federal land.
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this has been my argument for quite some time now. we make up .5% of the population and Most of us have a good head on our shoulders so why not allow us to protect our family's the way that we protect our country? now i feel that you should not be able to carry if you have NJP on your record. lets keep the dummies safe from themselves.
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Do you mean an NJP at any time in your career or just within the last couple years, BC if that's the case your telling any chief or above that something they did 18+ years ago now nullifies them from this. I would guess something like within the last 2 years or so but not so open ended.
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Capt Richard I P. and SSG(P) (Join to see) This has turned into an amazing thread! Thank you Boyer for proposing it and thank you Sir for being the brains behind the 10 points. We just need to get this rolling now! "Arm the Armed Forces"!
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Sgt jordan vied no problem brother. ..Mitchell just something that needs to be said and also capt Richard porter is the brains behind it
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SGT (Join to see) SSG(P) (Join to see), Gentlemen, very much a team effort, kudos to you as well, and to other strong participants on the thread, especially LTC Paul Heinlein in particular. It will take me a little longer but I'm working on a skeleton letter everyone can use as a template to write their congresspeople, I'm interested in making it into a petition on whitehouse.gov and in reaching out to gun rights organizations like NRA, JPFO, GOA, NAGR, but I want to finish the letter first.
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Capt Richard I P. I can't wait to see the letter template so I can use it as well!
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Sir lead the way!
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Some places all you need is a license. I do know there's alot of people out there that shouldn't have guns....what I do know is it wouldn't hurt to have some good soldiers carrying you just never know these days what will happen or where
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i personally would adore having a properly trained militia people could join (kinda like our Constitution says)
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SFC Dr. Joseph Finck, BS, MA, DSS
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SSG(P) (Join to see) , This is a truly interesting idea. I will present an entirely different position than most would expect. This MAY open up Army CID, NCIS, and Air Force OSI into investigating incidents involving firearms off post. The nexus for Military Criminal Investigative Organizations (MCIOs) to become involved is involvement of a military member as either a suspect (subject) or victim or other incident for which the uniformed services have an interest. I am not a lawyer, but I surmise if these weapons were USG property, issued from the arms room on hand receipt, and if the end user is lawfully carrying based on his or her status as a service member, then those respective MCIOs would be legally able to be involved in the investigation.

There would likely immediately be a DoD level policy which addressed when an MCIO would become involved and which also demanded joint or concurrent investigations as opposed to an independent one, but none the less an interesting prospect.

Which brings me to asking questions. Would your proposal be the aforementioned personnel carry military owned and issued weapons? Would there be a change to the training and qualification requirement for the personnel who were armed? How would we establish and what would the rules of engagement be? My thought is protection of life only so we could avoid most claims of a posse comitatus violation.

In regards to your original question, should military personnel be allowed to carry based on the CAC as a Concealed Carry Permit, my response is YES, with training. I find significant validity and trustworthiness in the majority of NCOs, Warrant Officers, and Officers. Junior enlisted may, please note I said may, need to be further screened prior to making allowance to enact this policy.

I wish this would be enacted and further, I think in most instances like Federal Law Enforcement Officers, military members should be able to fly armed as well. The additional and unknown element of having armed personnel on aircraft, would make any attack similar to those on 9/11 be a huge risk.

Great idea!
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SFC Dr. Joseph Finck, BS, MA, DSS Interesting wrinkle you've added, have you taken a look at the 10 points we put together for broad brush strokes to advocate for this policy? Any suggestions on them?
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SFC Dr. Joseph Finck, BS, MA, DSS
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Capt Richard I P. Sir, I have not, but I will.
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Defiantly
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Capt Richard I P.
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And definitely!
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