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I PCSed from Germany in 2011 and when I got to Hawaii I was in the S3 shop and had 4 soldiers that worked for me. I sent them to do something and 2 hours later, they were nowhere to be found. I finally hear a laugh and find the three of them smoking and joking behind the dumpster. WTF??? In seconds, Ive got them all on their faces and the S3 SGM comes out and screams at my soldiers to get up. Calls me over, and tells me we arent allowed to do that anymore.
Now, we have privates that dont listen, dont do what theyre told, and dont care because there is no punishment! Sure you can counsel them, but it takes 4 of them to make anything real happen and if your unit is anything like mine, then you KNOW nothing will happen. There's no more discipline in the Army and we could bring it back, if we just bring back corrective PT.
Now, we have privates that dont listen, dont do what theyre told, and dont care because there is no punishment! Sure you can counsel them, but it takes 4 of them to make anything real happen and if your unit is anything like mine, then you KNOW nothing will happen. There's no more discipline in the Army and we could bring it back, if we just bring back corrective PT.
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You can and should be doing corrective training! A Soldier walks past garbage and does not pick it up, instruct them to do a police call, and you supervise it! Simply put, corrective training is something that is meant to correct behavior and improve performance.
If you have a repeat offender within the ranks, then I suggest you take it to paper.....look at the back of the counseling statement, clearly layout the plan of action during the counseling, your expectations to implement to correct their behavior....use the tools available, do the counseling and outline the corrective training and (PLEASE) do the follow up assessment counseling.
Don't be afraid to be creative, to make them think about their performance and why they are being counseled. Assigning an essay is about the least creative thing you can do....assigning them to instruct a class to the section/squad/platoon might be a better way to accomplish your desired results - you must be present to conduct a rehearsal of that class before the Soldier presents it to the section though. Corrective training has went nowhere!
If you have a repeat offender within the ranks, then I suggest you take it to paper.....look at the back of the counseling statement, clearly layout the plan of action during the counseling, your expectations to implement to correct their behavior....use the tools available, do the counseling and outline the corrective training and (PLEASE) do the follow up assessment counseling.
Don't be afraid to be creative, to make them think about their performance and why they are being counseled. Assigning an essay is about the least creative thing you can do....assigning them to instruct a class to the section/squad/platoon might be a better way to accomplish your desired results - you must be present to conduct a rehearsal of that class before the Soldier presents it to the section though. Corrective training has went nowhere!
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SGT Mitch McKinley
I loved that guy...definitely one of the top 5 NCOs I ever met.
I can still hear his voice as he would say: "Ok, so here's the deal with that".
I can still hear his voice as he would say: "Ok, so here's the deal with that".
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SFC Peter Cyprian
Here's the problem- CSM Michael J. Uhlig stated a very critical point, it must be supervised and it must be related to the offense. I have had to snatch up some junior NCOs that were abusing the corrective training because the training was not related to the offense and was not being supervised by that NCO. Example- a Soldier habitually being caught with his hands in his pockets. Incorrect corrective training- he was sent after duty hours to the motor pool to clean up oil spots and his NCO was not present. Believe it or not, there is a regulation that covers corrective training....read it! AR-600-20, Chapter 4
b. One of the most effective administrative corrective measures is extra training or instruction (including on-the-spot
correction). For example, if Soldiers appear in an improper uniform, they are required to correct it immediately; if they
do not maintain their housing area properly, they must correct the deficiency in a timely manner. If Soldiers have
training deficiencies, they will be required to take extra training or instruction in subjects directly related to the
shortcoming.
(1) The training, instruction, or correction given to a Soldier to correct deficiencies must be directly related to the
deficiency. It must be oriented to improving the Soldier’s performance in their problem area. Corrective measures may
be taken after normal duty hours. Such measures assume the nature of training or instruction, not punishment.
Corrective training should continue only until the training deficiency is overcome. Authority to use it is part of the
inherent powers of command.
(2) Care should be taken at all levels of command to ensure that training and instruction are not used in an
oppressive manner to evade the procedural safeguards applying to imposing nonjudicial punishment. Deficiencies
satisfactorily corrected by means of training and instruction will not be noted in the official records of the Soldiers
concerned.
b. One of the most effective administrative corrective measures is extra training or instruction (including on-the-spot
correction). For example, if Soldiers appear in an improper uniform, they are required to correct it immediately; if they
do not maintain their housing area properly, they must correct the deficiency in a timely manner. If Soldiers have
training deficiencies, they will be required to take extra training or instruction in subjects directly related to the
shortcoming.
(1) The training, instruction, or correction given to a Soldier to correct deficiencies must be directly related to the
deficiency. It must be oriented to improving the Soldier’s performance in their problem area. Corrective measures may
be taken after normal duty hours. Such measures assume the nature of training or instruction, not punishment.
Corrective training should continue only until the training deficiency is overcome. Authority to use it is part of the
inherent powers of command.
(2) Care should be taken at all levels of command to ensure that training and instruction are not used in an
oppressive manner to evade the procedural safeguards applying to imposing nonjudicial punishment. Deficiencies
satisfactorily corrected by means of training and instruction will not be noted in the official records of the Soldiers
concerned.
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SFC Peter Cyprian
CSM Michael J. Uhlig
Sergeant Major, I used to make AR 600-20 required reading for all my NCOs, especially the part about corrective training. All too often we see corrective training that is not being carried out correctly. It is a great subject for NCOPD.
Sergeant Major, I used to make AR 600-20 required reading for all my NCOs, especially the part about corrective training. All too often we see corrective training that is not being carried out correctly. It is a great subject for NCOPD.
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I think it was a mistake to remove correctional PT, especially now that we live in the age of the "entitled" generation. How can you teach good order and discipline without the discipline? Most of the social problems involving the 18-30 year old age group (delinquency, violence, criminal acts,....) can be directly related to poor/no discipline and accountability provided by their parents. Since their parents don't provide it, the military should, especially if they join the military. I know for a fact that if I spoke to my parents the way these kids speak to their parents nowadays, my butt would be scarred for life!
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I couldnt agree more sir. Discipline, in any shape, form or fashion, is nonexistant in most households today. I may only be 25 but I am grateful I was raised the way I was.
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SSG Daniel Deiler
EXTREMELY surprised you have not encountered any SFC Griffis. I was an AIT Instructor for 2 years at Ft. Lee and each and I'd say at least 10-15% of every class/rotation had that "entitlist" mentality. (My definition of entitlist mentality is the frame of mind of a person who believes they should get something with having to expend minimal to no effort in order to attain. ie. If an asnwer cannot be googled or otherwise referenced via laptop/smartphone they stop there).
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SFC (Join to see)
SFC Griffis, I too was a drill at Benning. If you haven't encountered them yet, you should quit paying off the assignment folks at the AG battalion. I don't know how you haven't. But, congratulations!
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Do not confuse corrective training and punishment. You are not authorized to punish a Soldier. Only Commanders are authorized to impose punishment. Your responsibility is to provide corrective training that addresses whatever deficiency that Soldier has displayed.
Corrective training never went away. The only thing that has changed is the expectation that NCO's actually train personnel on their deficiencies, instead of just arbitrarily smoking people.
Corrective training never went away. The only thing that has changed is the expectation that NCO's actually train personnel on their deficiencies, instead of just arbitrarily smoking people.
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