Posted on Dec 31, 2014
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This soldier is pulling CQ today, New Years Eve. The reason why he is upset and thinks it isn't fair is because he was deployed for the past 12 months in Afghanistan with a different unit while his unit was in the rear. He's the only soldier in the battalion that was deployed. He got back 3 months ago and as soon as he got back, he went to work everyday till 1700. They didn't give him half days or 4 day weekends for redeployment and he never asked for them either, he didn't feel it was his position to ask for days off.

He didn't take block leave because he went on leave in October for 29 days and was told that if he did put leave now, it would probably get denied because he just took leave, so he didn't. He just found out yesterday that he had duty today because they changed the roster last minute. He asked the NCO in charge of the roster to see if there was anything he could do because he wanted to spend this new year's eve with his family since last year he wasn't here, unlike everybody else. He was told "at least you get to spend Christmas with your family" meaning that that should've been enough. He now feels that his unit doesn't really care about him or his family.

Is this soldier overreacting? Did his leadership fail him or is he just complaining?
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LTC Yinon Weiss
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I don't know about the details on whether he should pull CQ duty on New Years Eve, but from everything you described, it sound like there is a generally over the top and UNNECESSARY "suck it up" mentality -- which is not positive leadership, and therefore fair reasons for feeling like the command doesn't really care about him. Reasons:

- The nature of the "last minute change" seems suspicious to me. Everybody has to pull undesirable CQ sometimes, but "last minute changes" with no explanation breeds suspicion and ill-will. You can't just throw that at somebody with no explanation the day before New Years and say "at least you saw your family for Christmas" and not expect them to lose some faith in the command.

- Not getting to even ask for holiday leave? Anybody should be able to ask for holiday leave. If somebody wants to turn him down, then that 1SG or whoever should put their name to the paper and turn down the leave and stand by it if questioned later. It sounds like he was intimidated into not asking, which is a leadership failure.

- Going to work EVERY day right after a 12 month deployment, and not getting a single half day off to try to take care of his household goods, family, or general welfare? Somebody should have at least talked to him to see if there was a need for it. Not even asking him is what creates the perception that nobody cares about him.

In short.... CQ duty may be fine, but based on the information you gave, I think that any Soldier should have some concerns about whether his chain of command really cares about his well being or not.
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SGT Kristin Wiley
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It seems like the command failed to follow up with the soldier and help him reintegrate into the unit following his deployment. Some of these things may be perspective based, but bottom line is that the command should be doing more, especially his first line leadership. If this happened to one of my soldiers, I would have swapped with him in a heartbeat, but then again I have no family and I don't drink so New Year's is null and void to me.
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SGT Bn C&E Ncoic
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When this soldier arrived from deployment, not a single NCO bothered to ask how he was feeling, if he needed anything, if he needed a few days off or nothing of that matter. He didn't really care either, he didn't expect anyone to ask him anything anyways. He was deployed for 12 months and no one from his command ever reached out to him while he was deployed his PSG and 1SG kept some contact but they left the unit sometime after he left. Anyone would think that theres a reason the unit doesn't care about this soldier, maybe he was a scumbag, an irresponsible soldier. But the reality is that this soldier was actually a good soldier. Never had a an adverse action taken against him, not even a negative counseling statement. In 2 years in the unit he received 3 AAM's and 4 coins for exemplary service and dedication to the unit.
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SGT (Join to see) - We reasoned.
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PO3 Tim T
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If the unit nco’s wont help time to talk to his officers, after all they are there to lead. Sounds like some remf crap. The plt sgt should have fixed this. Holiday duty sucks, but last minuet changes reak of day room discipline or favoritism. Just my 2bitts
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You need to bite the bullet and do your duty. Once it has been completed, a visit to your 1SG is in order. There may well be a very good explanation that just wasn't communicated.

If a Soldier needed to be somewhere due to an emergency or something important, it would've been my honor to pull the duty myself, even if I had other options. There are times when we as leaders get an opportunity to take care of Soldiers and set an example, and this is an excellent example.
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SFC (Join to see) - Oh really. Did you read my entire comment (from four years ago)? We has since modified the question with some more backstory. However, the backstory doesn't change what right looks like.
Decent units have a DA 6 for duties such as CQ. The need for CQ doesn't go away on holidays. If anything, they are more necessary. If this individual was duly assigned a duty on New Year's, then that is what is.
However, every unit in the Army has policies to deal with switching Soldiers on duty rosters if the need arose. And if the Soldier was truly in need and there wasn't a ready solution available, I said that this particular 1SG would pull the duty - seeing as how I will likely be up dealing with shenanigans anyway, might as well help a Soldier out.

Now, with the rest of the story, all I can say is that a decent unit would lake better care of this Soldier and get him what he needed to take care of things after deployment. It wouldn't go like that in my unit.
But then again, I'm just dumb, right?
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TSgt Aircrew Egress Systems
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I wouldn’t say dumb, sounds like your just part of the leadership problem in the military. 1SG (Join to see)
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TSgt Mike Graham
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Of course we’ve all pulled duty that was inconvenient, but just how much effort does it takes to give a good man a heartfelt explanation BEFORE he pulls the CQ?
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TSgt Mike Graham - Indeed, that should have happened. A lack of communication is the single biggest issue here, and it should be coming from both the Soldier and his CoC.
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SGT Bn C&E Ncoic
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Lol!! Maybe, the NCO thats doing CQ with him, finals out (ETS) next week.
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SFC Richard Haugh
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Sucking it up!
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CQ on New Years Eve after last minute change and after no holiday leave; suck it up or would you complain?
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I would say that there are some issues here that would need some more explaining. If his name got dropped for the last minute duty and he is being told about it is already too late. I would have hoped someone would have advocated for him seeing how he was deployed. Once he was given the duty at the last minute a valid reason why. When an NCO gives an order some are to be followed without question. This is not one of them. A courtesy of explaining why is being given to him at the last minute to save him some grief.

I am not a fan of the "Suck it up butter cup" when it comes to something like this. If it was raining in the patrol base and you are getting wet then you just need to "Suck it up" but something that not only affects the soldiers but his family as well should not be treated in such a way.

I wonder if his unit casts him as an outsider as they may have not integrated him back into it. In a fashion they wanted to take care of their buddies and he was that guy that just got back so lets put that guy we really don't know on duty.

On top of all of this he is going to complain. If he didn't I would really be concerned about his state of mind. It is natural to complain about something like this.
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SGT Bn C&E Ncoic
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Sir, reason was that whoever was originally on duty, was on leave and they forgot he was on leave. So they changed the roster a couple days ago, and didn't mention that there was a "new" last minute change on the roster.

To the complaining part. No, he did not complain to the NCOIC, he simply asked if there was something he could do. Got told "no, but at least you got to spend Christmas with your family". Got so mad about the comment, that was better off saying "roger, sergeant" and walking away instead of saying something stupid and make matters worse. And not knowing and definitely not trusting leadership in this unit, it's hard to complain to someone without fear of repercussions . He mentioned it to 1 NCO that knows him from before, and it's the only NCO he trusts but that NCO was on leave.
And he did bring some "stuff" in the head from deployment. But he is seeing Behavioral Health and taking meds.
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SGT (Join to see) I would have made the person that made the mistake pull some of the CQ so he could spend the turn of the year with his family. I would be pissed too. The worst thing you could do to a soldier is make them suffer for someone else's shortcomings. Even worse is knowing that they face no repercussions. In the situation. I don't think I would have said the "At least......" part. At the end I would have thanked them for taking over at the last minute.
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LTC James Washington
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Your comment about the possibility of his being considered the outsider crossed my mind very brightly as well
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SFC William Swartz Jr
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I have to agree with some of the comments posted previously, the Soldier has been back for over 90 days from the deployment and is back into the "swing of things" regarding duties and responsibilities. Now, while the Soldier may have not been reintegrated back into the unit properly, he was given leave time following the deployment, now unless there is some policy letter within the unit that specifically prevented him from putting in for Holiday leave, which as far as I remember in all the units I was in except for Recruiting, is usually a Block Leave period set forth by the Post Commander, he should have gone ahead and put in for the leave and let the command group approve/disapprove. Does seem "squirrelly" that no one notified him of the change to the roster ahead of time, but it does happen...he got shafted, it happens. I do not know whether it qualifies as bad leadership, but I would say that there may be the appearance of such from where the Soldier stands. I would caution against anyone saying that they should have put someone single on the roster instead, we have gotten past those days I had thought. I would say he has a legitimate bitch/gripe/moan, but am not sure that it equates to him being "abused".
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SGT Bn C&E Ncoic
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The 90 day rule didn't apply to him. He's been pulling CQ for more than a month already. He even did CSM Detail (he volunteered to do it) for a week right when he got back just so he wouldn't be sitting around all day till 1700 doing nothing (he came back to a Rear D unit). He never had a problem with pulling CQ either, it's just today. The whole spending new years eve with his wife and children that he didn't get to do last year. That's whats bothering him.
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1SG Vet Technician
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I keep coming back to why is spending NYE with your family so much more special then any other day. I get Christmas and Thanksgiving, but I just don't understand our cultural preoccupation with New Year's Eve
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Some people from different cultures celebrate New Years Eve like a family tradition. Spending that night with their loved ones is pretty important. I guess it depends on how they were raised. To some is just another day, to others is just as important as Christmas and 3 Kings day (Holiday in Puerto Rico in January 6th). It depends on their culture and how they were raised.
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LOL I have duty tomorrow 01JAN... I was also on duty on Christmas and Thanksgiving as well.....Who did I piss off?!?!?
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As a battalion commander I would want this Soldier to use the CoC up to me if necessary to express his concerns.
Obviously that is easy to say from my seat, but if my company leaders couldn't resolve this I would want my CSM and I to get involved.
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PFC Bradley Campbell
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he sounds like he did his duty and then some, all without complaint. i think someone should have split the time, volunteered to do it in his place--something. he sounds like the the kind of man who would cover for another in the future with little hesitation. we are flexible in combat, we should be the same to make sure everyone gets well earned small break.
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I guess my question would be why the soldier didn't put in for a four day pass? It's pretty common knowledge that if you don't put in for a pass for unit four-days you risk being assigned to staff duty or CQ over the holidays. The soldier has now been back over 90 days and is fair game to be assigned to duty rosters again. It sucks that he didn't get a lighter schedule post-deployment, but it does sound like the unit allowed him to take post-deployment leave, which is fair.

I'd say that once you find yourself on the duty roster, it's your responsibility as a soldier to find a replacement if you need one, barring exceptional circumstances (i.e., the unit messed up and double-scheduled you - then it's on the unit). Maybe be a good friend and offer to pull it for him on the holiday if he'll return the favor later on down the road?
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SGT Bn C&E Ncoic
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Maj Yinon Weiss there is always 2 sides to a story, you are correct. I don't know the motives or the reasoning behind his leaderships decision. I only know this soldier's story. When he left for deployment his entire leadership was awesome. But everybody has left. He came back to new leadership that doesn't know him.

Also, he is in Rear D, his unit is deployed to U.A.E. and now the Rear D is all about "we have to embrace the suck" because our guys are in UAE, not taking into consideration that this soldier has been gone for a whole year in Afghanistan, embracing the suck, just to come home and having to keep embracing the suck.
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SFC William Swartz Jr
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If the pass has been approved it does SFC B....any changes made to a duty roster after the pass has been approved is on the unit and therefore would be corrected by said unit, that is why the 1SG is supposed to annotate such things on the DA-6...
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SFC Assistant Inspector General
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Actually if you are on a DA31 for a pass it does exempt you from duties such as CQ/Staff Duty. You may want to check out the Pass and Leave regulation and the Duty Roster regulation. Side note even Jag told a unit that was not an authorized message in their leave and pass policy. 1SG (Join to see)
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You are absolutely correct and if the kid just had duty on a Sunday how did his number come up so fast for another holiday/weekend duty?SFC William Swartz Jr
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I always said, "Air Cav!!!" and pulled my duty. Asking to see the DA-6 might be the way to go in the age of hurt feelings, self-awareness, politically correct, cage-free, soy bean goodness. I never saw the big deal of New Years. Then again, I am posting a response to this thread on New Years Eve so I'm a nerd any way.
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SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL
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SFC Mark Merino, brother I got to be truthful with you I would go Ape Bunkers on holidays.
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SFC Counterintelligence (CI) Agent
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Wrong place my bad.
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SGT Robert Hawks
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Been there done that Christmas of 1986
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SFC Mark Merino
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Not Ape Bunkers!!!!...lol 
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I'm sure there is more to this story, but it does have the beginnings of both failed leadership and a weak Soldier. No one should be so intimidated by their leadership to fear requesting leave. At the same time, active leadership involvement could have identified this Soldier as needed extra attention due to a recent deployment.
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SGT Bn C&E Ncoic
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It wasn't about fear, it was more about consideration. He did take 29 days off. he didn't think it would've been fair that if it did get approved, that meant that someone else's that hadn't taken taken leave a month ago was getting denied. And he doesn't mind doing CQ, even on off duty days. He just doesn't get why of all days, had to be on the actual holiday.

But I do understand what you are saying. And it is his fault for not putting in leave and leaving himself open for this situation to happen. Next time he shouldn't be so "considerate" of the other soldiers for no reason.
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PFC Bradley Campbell
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SGT (Join to see) - i would add, doing one's duty is fine, taking leave is his right as approved. as for the rest of this, i advise he ask for what he has legitimately earned. and not let any guilt of how it effects others weigh so heavy on his choices. this should have been resolved 60 seconds after he brought it up. he has to be confident in doing things in his best interest. it does not mean he cant or wont help out in the future. done right, taking care of yourself is what all of us need to do better.
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