Posted on Nov 27, 2013
SFC Ricardo Ruiz
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<i><b><span style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 24px; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245);">I found CrossFit by accident in February 2013.&nbsp;</span><font color="#616161" face="Georgia, Times, Times New Roman, serif"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 18px;">Currently there exists a host of anecdotal evidence claiming that the CrossFit program is effective. However, to date, only one formal study within the U.S. Army has attempted to add empirical evidence to these&nbsp;claims back in 2010.</span></font><span style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 24px; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245);">&nbsp;My opinion is Crossfit &nbsp;is a great tool to improve any soldier PRT/APFT scores. APFT Scores before Crossfit 240 avg After Crossfit 285 avg.&nbsp;</span></b></i><i><b><span style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 24px; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245);">My personal PR FRAN 4:11 RX&nbsp;</span></b></i>
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I believe that any fitness program, that is structured and makes it fun to stick with can improve your APFT.&nbsp; The most important thing is that you can make it harder as you improve and that it is fun enough to do all the time.
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SFC Michael Hasbun
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Nailed it.
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SFC Ricardo Ruiz
SFC Ricardo Ruiz
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I do agree PT is good when is properly maintained and executed by good leaders.  i also believed to most soldiers Crossfit will bring an opportunity to developed new ways to improve physical readiness
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I'll be the bad guy. I can't stand crossfitters. I will let them have their space and let do what they are doing but it is just a form of exercise and is not the only way to work out. I go to the gym and pick up heavy things. I also find a nice trail and run a long time. It has worked awesome for me. My best two mile was when I was deployed and did my Pick up heavy things/Run a long time fitness program and got a 10:59. Meanwhile these two "Fitness God's" thought I was using steroids. They didn't understand how they could be crossfitting and not see the results that I was seeing.<div><br></div><div>Nothing is wrong with Crossfit. It is a great program to be honest but there are some tool bags that swear by it just as they swear by any craze. That is what turns me off to it. I tried it a couple times and didn't like it. So I stay with what I got. If you take an individual and tell him that Crossfit is the only way you are wrong. It is an option.</div><div><br></div><div>And for crying out STOP POSTING YOUR WOD on facebook. I don't care nor does anyone else besides the people you just worked out with.&nbsp;</div>
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CPT Senior Instructor
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SGT(P) (Join to see) The deciding factor is how many times you post your WOD on FB. If you post more than once a week about your WOD then you are the CF guy that we don't like.
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SGT(P) Unit Supply Specialist
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CPT (Join to see) Sir, I don't have FB..,
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SGT(P) Unit Supply Specialist
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O crossfit someecards facebook
Now we know...
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Some people can just run... Some people will never reach certain milestones regardless of their level of commitment to fitness. Part of the allure of Crossfit is the personal accountability, can you do this PR tracking and personal improvement logging on your own? Of course but there is a system already in place that keeps you accountable, it is not an end all be all, though it can not be downplayed.
I was a sponsored runner not too long ago and I will never run a sub 12:00 two mile ever, never have and probably never will, some people just have it...
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Look at it this way, I make the same argument I make for Vibram Five Finger shoes.  Take a random cross section of the military lets say... 100 soldiers male and female equal parts that just do PT on a daily basis as prescribed by the company commander.  Now take another cross section of 100 Crossfitters OR individuals who train in things like Vibrams, take a PT test.  I will guarantee you without a shadow of a doubt that the latter cross section WILL score a higher average on the APFT than the first section.  Why?  People who put themselves in programs such as Crossfit and purchase aids such as minimalist shoes are people that are actively bettering themselves and going above and beyond...
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SGT(P) Unit Supply Specialist
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This is the best point in the whole discussion SSG (Join to see), when I got my Polar watch while I was losing weight people asked me why I wanted the watch. Well, I guess it is part of a sub-culture, Fitness as a whole is too wide to explain but at the same time too easy to understand. That is just my POV.
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CrossFit program improves APFT scores True or False?‏
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I definitely agree.  Crossfit works soo many muscle groups at once.  Outstanding program and I think Soldiers do better when their physical fitness routine is not "routine".  In the past so many exercises were mundane, but adding some Crossfit, Zumba, Insanity exercises to your program peps it up a bit and I think my Soldiers enjoyed it immensely!
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SFC Ricardo Ruiz
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SSG Best, right on point 100% agree.  Are you a member in a Crossfit Box?
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SFC Clinops
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No SSG Ruiz, I am not.  Me and my team found it on deployment and attending 3/5 days weekly.  We loved it.  Got back to Bragg and they have one at Fredericks Gym, but it was already so packed that we rarely had the opportunity to enjoy.  We stuck with Insanity, Zumba and spinning though.  Also very good as well.
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SSG Best

 

I'll jump in here, you have the right point to make, it works when mixed in with other options, and best with those who want to do it. I grew up with the 21-20, and it worked for me, deck of cards PT, o course, different routines or excercises. But best for the individual to decide what works for them. I will say it must be nice your unit lets you do those during unit pt time's, my soldiers don't get that as unit PT.

 

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CPT Jason Torpy
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Why is that even a question? A consistent program of intense physical exercise improves APFT performance, True or False? I think the answer is obvious. Crossfit is great for people with the time, energy, and motivation to do it. There's also the real concern about injuries common in any consistent high-intensity exercise. Military physical training has to be more broad-spectrum and tailored to the needs of the unit, not just guns-blazing all the time. That stuff is great if you're safe, but just adopting it for a unit might be too much of a good thing.
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TSgt Ncoic
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CPT, You seem to have some (common) misconceptions regarding CrossFit. Contrary to popular belief, the Workout of the Day posted on the CrossFit website is not CrossFit. As a PT Leader for the past ten years and a certified CrossFit coach I can say that CrossFit isn't so much a program as a methodology and that method is perfect for unit PT. CrossFit is specifically designed to promote a type of fitness that is braod, flexible, and inclusive. If you have not already done so, please download and read this: http://journal.crossfit.com/2002/10/what-is-fitness-by-greg-glassm.tpl
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CPT Jason Torpy
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I think CrossFit is as much evangelized as practiced. I put out some reasonable pitfalls to avoid, and you accuse me of being uninformed. The article you posted defines fitness with a strong emphasis on intensity. Generally aerobic exercises are recommended to be 'hard and fast'. World Class Fitness recommendations are "Keep workouts short and intense." I think I understand CrossFit just fine, and I think it's a good option so long as PT leaders are careful not to overtrain or expose troops to acute injuries from too-high intensity.
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SGT Ryan Siefert
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I haven't tried Crossfit yet, but I can attest to Insanity and the Asylum programs. I used to struggle breaking 50 pushups on the PT test. Now I'm wanting to max my pushups in 1:40 or less (maxed in 1:45 last Saturday).

While the programs also REALLY help build up the abs, quads, and hip flexors, I find I still need to do SOME regular situps - say one set of 50 or so every other day - so I can maintain muscle memory. I'm also maxing or nearly maxing that event as well.
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Crossfit, P90x, Insanity are all great ways to improve one's fitness levels. they have done wonders for me and several of my troops. After my injuries and surgeries my 2 mile run went from 17:03 to 24:55 or worse. Since I have started doing Crossfit, running more, P90x and insanity (I do this with my fiancé so as not to get bored or stagnant) I have dropped my 2 mile run time back down to 19 mins or less. Nobody wants to go through their military careers broken, so I see this as a slap in the face to my doctors that said I would never be able to get back to where I was.
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Sgt Huy Hoang
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its amazing how doing those programs helps with your run time.  I've been out for 14 years, and in January I ran my first 5k with my wife.  Now I haven't ran since last summer and before that at least 5 years.  I did one round of Insanity and 1 month of P90X before the run.  We weren't even going to run it, but we decided to jog as far as we could go and walk the rest. Not only did we run the whole 5k but we were also pushing our child in a jogging stroller with low air in the tires.  Ran it in 37 mins. I'm actually a Beachbody Coach now and I love helping people get back in shape, especially former military, because I miss being in peak shape.  So I found these programs and love it!
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Yep, but so does dong push ups, sit ups, and running....as a variety, HELL yes you and you Soldiers should do it. I mix in a FGB every now and then, and my 30 bubbas love it. Filthy 50 works well also.
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Yes those three things will improve your PT score though sit ups are one of the least functional movements you could ever do and can be improved by never doing a single sit up... I do them for PT tests ONLY and I always max them...
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First rule of crossfit is to tell everyone you do crossfit.

First rule for everyone else, no one gives a crap you do crossfit (not you as in the thread starter, but the "royal" you).
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Old topic revival!!  A little background on me: I've been doing CF for just under 4 years, have been a coach for 10 months.  When I first discovered CF, I was in a unit that did not do PT (medical).  CF improved my APFT score; it was the only type of fitness I had aside from the occasional 5k "fun run" on post.  The following year, with no running between October and March, I decreased my 2m run time by 42 secs.  Considering that I was already sub-13, that's quite an improvement.  All I did in that period was CF.  It helped, for sure.  Aside from a 4-month stint where I was going to school full-time, I've been at it ever since.  Fast forward to now, I am currently half-way through class 14-719 of the Master Fitness Trainer Course, and I'm looking at things from a different perspective now.  I used to shun PRT for its "skipping across a parking lot" and terrible forward lunge form.  It's been done wrong in so many places, for such a long time.  Fixes are coming, hence the surge of MFT Courses. Now, I can tell you that CF, as a "broad, general & inclusive" program will help, but it is not the absolute answer.  As warfighters, our needs are anything BUT broad, general, or inclusive.  Our training should make us experts at our WTBDs, and that is the purpose of PRT. Our line of work requires a bit more than CF's "General Physical Preparedness".   In my personal opinion, CF and PRT can co-exist.  A foundation of CF with the specialization that comes from proper performance of PRT will make for a very well-rounded warfighter (physically, at least). 
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