Posted on Nov 2, 2014
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So I was perusing Army Times and saw this little Gem:

http://www.armytimes.com/article/20110309/NEWS/103090328/Ex-Walter-Reed-CSM-sentenced-to-6-months

From the article:

Some of the offenses admitted by Crump include wearing six awards and decorations from March to December of 2009, including the Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal with Arrowhead device, which indicates — contrary to military records — that he made a combat jump into Grenada. He admitted he wore a U.S. Navy Achievement Medal without authority since 2006 and, on three occasions, two or three unauthorized overseas service bars.


Do you think that the CSM was fined too harshly, just right, or not enough?


I will reserve my comments for now.
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MSgt Dennis Dudley
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I am saying Too Harsh, only because I feel prison would serve no purpose. I agree with the busting in rank and toss him out. I is sad to see a career wasted, and his family hurt over something like this.

This quote from Maj Petrarca " Under UCMJ there should be a standard punishment for this type of offense, regardless of rank. No way should anyone be allowed to keep their full retirement benefits at their current rank. Active SMs posing, IMHO is the worst type of crime as it insults everyone in uniform." is the way punishment should be applied
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Lt Col Aerospace Planner
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I think the 6 months of confinement was appropriate. In theory he most likely was not in prison, he probably served time at a base confinement facility. with good time he probably got out after a few months. You have to have more than a year to get prison in one of the disciplinary stockades/barracks.

The few months of doing trash and yard duty at a base hopefully allowed him to reflect on what he did all the years of faking his record. Think of the humiliation when your peers and former subordinates walk by and your in a jail suit cleaning the base.
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SGT Ben Keen
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This is really a double-edge sword here. Was the punishment too hard, just right or not enough? That's hard to answer. He was a Senior NCO. He knew better. He was fully aware of what he was doing and what the regulations said. However, as we have seen in the past, civilians are spotted wearing uniforms, medals, and patches they never earned and most of the time they end up getting away with nothing. Sure in some cases, the person is sentenced to jail but the charges normally are for Fraud, or something like that; not the wear of the unearned awards.

A question about the article that I'm seeking clarification on. In the article it states that he wore a AFEM with Arrowhead device which they say means he did a combat jump into Grenada. I though the Arrowhead device meant you were part of a beach landing operation as part of an Expeditionary unit. Does the device also cover those that completed a combat jump? I thought that was the whole point of having the stars on jump wings.
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SFC Guy Quinn
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If a CSM doesn't understand the difference between what civilians do and what soldiers do then he should have gotten the firing squad.
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PO1 Michael Fullmer
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Without knowing the ENTIRE scope of this case, and having only what is posted in the article, how can anyone decide whether the punishment is to much or not enough?
If/when the whole story is revealed, perhaps then the opinion(s) regarding the sentence may be taken into consideration.
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Col Jincy Hayes
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Confining him doesn't make sense. WHat will that do for the military? Bust him, and let him retire with his new grade. Maybe bust him 2 grades. I have to hold this joker to a higher standard. He was a career military SNCO and he knew better. A CSM with something to prove, perhaps? We don't need him in the military. And while I have your attention, leniency for the family? Are you kidding me? Let's look at the drug dealers or corporate thieves. Leniency for them because they have 10 kids or a wife/husband who likes to shop somewhere besides WalMart? Throw the book at the guy and tell his family how to apply for welfare. That sounds harsh, but they ALL knew better. They just didn't think they would ever be held accountable.
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SGT John Little
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Yes Sir, AAFES may appreciates his patronage, but I don't appreciate his 8 plus years of lies
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First I voted that this was Just Right.

However,

I think that this CSM having been given a demotion to E6 would not have happened prior to 9/11. Look back at former SMA McKinney as an example. He was charged with Sexual Harassment and Obstruction of Justice among other things, and was demoted to E8 and allowed to retire (Note* He was acquitted on the sexual harassment charge).
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MSG Floyd Williams
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The cost is high trying to live out a fantasy, being reduced from E-9 to E-6 sounds about right. If this soldier have a family, it will truly affect the whole household financially.
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SFC Kenneth Hunnell
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The former CSM should have thought about his family before trying to pulling this stunt. Now his family is paying. He should be ashamed for his family
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MSgt Electrical Power Production
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I believe it was a little harsh to serve jail time. He was an idiot and was a disgrace to the uniform. But he should only be relieved of command reduced in rank with forfeiture of pay. It amazes me that one would ruin what appeared to be a distinguished career up to that point.
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Lt Col Aerospace Planner
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I would say its fair. I would advocate a harsher sentence if he was wearing valor awards like the Silver Star, etc.. He will have to live with what he has done for the rest of his life and know that he spent time in a prison over something completely avoidable.
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SSG John Erny
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Shaming is a powerful tool sir, he deserves to be shamed
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SSG Stephen Arnold
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Whoa...3 pay grades?

What a stupid thing to do, especially for someone who has reached the pinnacle of a career. 
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SSG Stephen Arnold
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Interesting. How did the Army not catch it? Somebody did not review his records apparently.
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Stolen Valor is as bad as Rape, and Murder in my book.
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SGT Criss M.
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As bad as rape and murder? Do you really believe that? Really? Think about what you'd just said....
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