Did Mckinney, Texas Cop Go Too Far?

SGT Keith Bodine, I too was part of the 187th and then became an MP. I was with 2nd BN in Desert Storm. Welcome home and thank you for your service. Rakassan!

PO2 Brian Rhodes

I think his resignation was never in question; that or be fired. Having said that, I don't think any charges will be brought against him, despite the race-baiters screaming for his head. I still think that his response was over the top, from what I have seen, however, when looked at in totality of the situation, I can see where he might have gotten to where he did.

It now looks like the crowd was not authorized to be in that area (private property and the organizer of the party did not have permission to hold it there). The crowd got out of control and the police were called. Upon arrival, the crowd failed to comply with the police and got increasingly confrontational. The video also shows that, prior to the officer drawing his pistol, he was being approached by several male teenagers, one of which was reaching in the back of his pants. Just saying that I will reserve judgment until all the facts are known.

This is just another instance of people having no respect for others' property and no respect for the police. The race-baiters are doing their best to turn this into a racial incident (cops against blacks), which it is not. Of course, the liberal media is playing right along with it.

I agree 100% with what this guy says... Don't be fooled by the title or his opening remarks. Watch the whole thing.

Caution -- Profanity -- Be careful who can hear this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dcWqnoKTZs

I just came across that video today too. I thought he was crazy in the beginning but then skipped to the video and listened to what he had to say afterward. I totally agree that the officer was out of control, particularly with his attitude/language, and that needs to be addressed. But I do not believe it was racially motivated. The teens were being disrespectful to others all around (to the adults/residents) and not following the orders of the officers. That girl had multiple chances to just leave like the officer told her too but she kept talking back and getting in the way. The officer was being attacked at almost all sides for trying to arrest her before he pulled his gun. It was the wrong thing to do given they were a bunch of unarmed teens, but hindsight is 20/20 and as soon as things cleared up he re-holstered his gun. It's awful that so many are trying to spin this as a case of racism. It is possible that one of the residents did say something stupid in regard to race but that doesn't change the fact that they have to listen to the officers. The one officer was wrong in some ways and the teens were wrong in some ways. Both need to take responsibility for their actions.

One rarely gets all the facts .. period!

SGM (Join to see), and SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S., the story about how the cop acted is on video. You don't need facts when you see it happening, right in front of you. That little girl didn't need to be slammed to the ground. They're kids! They were scared to death. No weapons, no alcohol, no drugs. Just a crazy loon cop wanting to hurt or kill someone. If that were my daughter, I'd be in jail for assault on a cop and it wouldn't be a pretty assault. I'm a good citizen. Never been in trouble or had a ticket in my life, but that, would have put me over the edge. I don't understand your non concern about this. We need police, but crazy as a bat cop.

Agree that things don't look good. However, justice demands that we don't act on appearances alone nor emotion, but on FACTS. The video may become the basis of fact.

If the situation were not so sad, I would chuckle at how slow law enforcement and others are to realize everything we do is on record.

CW3 Marc Granicki, as I've said, it looks bad. But I learned long ago to not jump to conclusions. It will be interesting to see how the investigation turns out. It is frightening to think an officer would just go off the deep end like that. It did not appear to me that there was anything going on that would warrant that response.

1SG (Join to see), PO2 Brian Rhodes, CW3 Marc Granicki, Thank all of you. Your sentiments are exactly like I have written. That rouge cop caused more problems than the kids he was tossing around.

None of us have all the information on this incident. What I think: The cop was letting is anger get the better of him. He was the only one running around like that. The other cops were calm and talking to the kids, trying to keep things calm. The other cops were probably talking crap about the one cop. We all know the type.

I watched the full, unedited video and you can see he lets 2 groups of girls go. One goes across the street to the left. The other goes down the sidewalk to the right. You can't hear the girl, but it's obvious she was talking crap to the cop. That's when he goes to arrest her.

We hear the kids around the ones with the video camera being polite, but - let's be honest - some of those kids were talking smack back to the cops. I told my daughter when she was young and I will tell my grandson: Don't piss off the cops. Doing so will result in 3 outcomes.
1. If it's a he said/she said, the cop will be less likely to see your side.
2. If you piss the cop off enough, he may detain/cuff you and may even sit you in the back of the cruiser to shut you up.
3. If you really give him a headache, he may decide to ruin your day and arrest you. It may be a bogus arrest, but you'll still be going to jail and probably have to make bail.

All of that doesn't excuse the cop. He shouldn't have dragged the girl back and cuffed her. He did it simply because she pissed him off. So he's wrong up to that point. He put himself in that situation, but those two kids were wrong coming up on him like they did. From the cop's actual POV, he had the girl on the ground, a loud group of kids forming around him and 2 kids running up on him. They were kids, but both of them were as big as the cop. He pulled the gun to back them off, then put it away. It shouldn't have gone that far, but it did.

I also noticed how the other cops were just standing there letting the one cop act that way. Even going so far as to just step out of his way while already calmly talking to a group of kids. The calm cop had it under control and the other one came barreling over, but the calm cop just let it happen. I wondered why they didn't do anything to calm him down or at least tell him to get back in his police car and let them handle it from there. I realize it can be weird when you are trying to gain control over a situation like that and the "professional" who is supposed to be helping you is the one that needs to be controlled most, but still it seemed like they didn't even try.

On a side note, what's up with the white socks?

SFC Christopher Perry, he resigned today, but I don't know if he did it on his own, or if he was forced to. After listening to Police Chief,on the news today, I'm pretty sure he was forced out, by the things the chief said.

He was gone one way or the other.

It was based on race. Some white chick called the cops saying that the pool there was for that community's use only and that the black people had come from outside of the community. Except they were all from that area. That is what started it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/06/08/go-back-to-your-section-8-home-texas-pool-party-host-describes-racially-charged-dispute-with-neighbor/

Fair enough, the facts have come out and the officer is gone as he should be.

PO2 (Join to see), yes, I saw that. It was two women fist fighting over who had permission to use the pool. The black lady had over a 100 guests, which was over the limit, of the neighborhood home owners association. That's what brought the po.ice there in the first place. The news said the upset police officer resigned on his own. I find that hard to believe considering his actions towards the people that day. They said he had come from two suicides that happened shortly before he arrived at the fight. If he was that down and frustrated, that would explain him taking it out on anyone that got in his way. It doesn't excuse him in any way. He's supposed to be a professional police officer after having been on the force, ten years.

Yes he should be but humans make mistakes I think the guy had an awful day and it happens. Nobody was killed but I do believe they need to learn how to properly manage stress. It's a tough job and nobody is perfect he probably should have sat that one out.

You guys used to have a thankless job, but things are coming around now where citizens want to help when they can, CPO Andy Carrillo, MS. Thank you for both of your services.

Not really.  Here in Texas, if he is formally disciplined for it, it will be harder for him to get another job in law enforcement.  By resigning, they cannot formally discipline him.  Civil court is different and not part of this.  With the political atmosphere nationally where cops are being assumed guilty and departments are pandering to the mob to try and hold peace, it could very well be that was the career minded expedient thing to do.  Keep in mind this guy was a Navy cop for a few years, then a Texas State Trooper for 2 years, then McKinney cop for 10.  Was named as "Officer of the year" last year, and has 0 disciplinary marks on his record.  Everyone seems to be loosing sight of the fact that they were called out by the residents.    Residents of the neighborhood who witnessed the whole thing are backing his actions.  They are saying that it was out of control, property was being vandalized, fights were breaking out, and it all was an unauthorized party.  This was not a public pool, this was not a public park, it was all private.  

Now lets look at the situation, the cops were there to break up an illegal party that contained the components of criminal tresspass, vandalism and physical violence.  They were very largely out numbered.  The teens acted agressively toward the officers (forget the debate on did it look like the white kid reached for a weapon) by moving quickly up on them.  They needed to control the situation and quickly.  He made a call that did control the situation.  Did it scare some teens, yes.  I don't care if it did though.  They were violating the law.  These kids were not victims, they broke the law, and now a community is upset because there were consequences.  No one gets a pass to break the law because of their age, skin color or political affiliation.  

The race baiters are trying to make it seem as if black kids were denied the use of a public swimming pool because they were black.  Yesterday a huge protest on the streets were thousands of people sat down in intersections chanting "If we can't swim, you can't drive".  The pool was in an HOA neighborhood and was run by the HOA.  The resident's of the neighborhood pay HOA dues that go toward the pool.  They have the right to use the pool, and can have guests there (this is limited by the terms of the HOA agreement).  In order to host a party at the pool, the facilities must be rented out, paid for and follow the HOA guidelines.  This did not happen, thereby making it criminal trespass.  We are seeing a 5-10 min clip of a 45 min situation.  Residents report that the situation was escalating, and the girl in the bikini had walked away and came back.  Once they figured out she was part of the organizing of the event, they decided to detain her.  She began fighting them at this point, and then the camera started.  

But does that justify him losing his cool and drawing his gun? Even his fellow officers made him put his weapon away!

No they didn't he pulled it out they came up spoke briefly to him took off around the corner he went back to the girl and then put it up.

PO1 John Miller, I'm glad he resigned. He was probably pressured into resigning, o he knew he was in the wrong or else he wouldn't have resigned. He can go be a crazy bully somewhere else. Now, maybe the protestors will go home and back to their lives.