Posted on Jul 12, 2023
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Hello Rallypoint Members!

I have a question regarding disciplinary actions that I have received from my detachment SFC. So I got myself into some trouble with an MP (argued with an MP after having a few beers), not gonna go into great detail (I own the mistakes that I made) but I am confused about one thing that my detachment sergeant has done regarding my disciplinary actions. The day after my altercation with the MP’s, my detachment SFC called me into her office, she informed me about what reprimands I could be facing (which I expected) but she also made me write down my mother and father’s phone numbers and she actually called them to tell them how much of a dirt bag I had been (which I did not expect). I am a grown man and can face the legal and moral repercussions of my own actions but was taken aback to find out that my NCO had called my family to inform them of the mistakes that I had made. Is this standard procedure in the military or even a typical form of disciplinary action for an NCO to make?
Any and all input is appreciated!

Thanks!
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SSG Laurie Mullen
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I hope your parents told that "NCO" off. WTF was she thinking calling mommy and daddy on you?
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Typical DIRTBAG FEMALE NCO! Let me guess, she is of color and you are Caucasian? (No, I am not being racist here, so don’t anyone take it or me the wrong way) If you fuck up in the military it’s the military’s involvements and responsibilities not your parents! Regardless of the situation the government OWNS you! You parents can’t ground you or punish you. All your DIRTBAG NCO did was being “UNPROFESSIONAL” to embarrass you and your parents! My suggestion to you would be look up Army Regulations on anything and everything! You can get the publications! Be knowledgeable on regulations! Sometimes DIRTBAG NCO’s (including most females), will go off on power trips doing shit out of regulations all because they get you to believe they can do whatever they want to you outside of regulations!

I had my experiences with many female NCO’s that outranked me or equal to my rank as well as some female Officers. I didn’t do anything wrong, if I saw or heard about one that went after one of my soldiers or soldiers in general in the unit I looked at the facts of the situation and if the NCO or Officer was rightfully out of line in their actions I informed them of regulations and quoted such pertaining to the incident or punishment. I was not liked my many whom I addressed, but I wasn’t looking for a popularity contest either! Some even tried to retaliate in making shit up about me or what I said, did, or doing, but I was always smarter than they were because I made sure at all times I had other soldiers and witnesses around me at all times. I won’t get into stupid detail It became aware to these NCO’s and Officers, I don’t fuck around and I don’t bother with higher Chain of Command, I write off Congressional's and done so a couple of times in my career only because I knew higher command would sweep the shit under the rug.

Best advice to give you, don’t go out and do dumb shit, keep your ass in line, always make sure no one can make any false claim in something you supposedly did or say. Now that you have an NCO who called your parents she will most likely target you at every chance. Anytime you are called into a superiors office you request your Squad Leader to be present. You cannot be denied having a witness with you regardless of who’s office you are in NCO’s or Officers! In todays military do you think a female should be in an office alone with the opposite sex? No because it isn’t going to happen because many females will claim some sort of harassment or sexual assault! Anything can be said, same thing if the tables are turned! And last note: start reading and memorizing REGULATIONS, the more you start quoting regulations on power tripping NCO’s and Officers on what they can and can’t do, the more they are going to realize you know your shit and they don’t and because of that, they will leave you the fuck alone unless you fuck up!
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1SG(P) Dean Mcbride (MPER) (SPHR)
1SG(P) Dean Mcbride (MPER) (SPHR)
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Ranting and raving and making excuses for your 32 years as an E6! That's what's wrong... I don't think you are a Dirtbag (a term you loosely use to describe those that don't meet your standards). I think you are a whiner, a complainer, a racist, a bigot, a misogynist, and a below par non-commissioned officer. This you have adequately displayed in your pontificating bitter abusive criticism of everyone that doesn't agree with you. You are the classic example of someone who refuses to take responsibility for his actions and wants the world to pity him. You are a typical "Eeyore", hardly ever happy, and even when you are, your probably still sardonic and a bit cynical. Ironically, you probably enjoy enjoy being gloomy to an extent and see it as the essence of your very being. By the way, I do not need your CSMs phone number... Just show her everything you have written - I am fairly certain she has already identified you for what you are!
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1SG(P) Dean Mcbride (MPER) (SPHR) oh look, the “Troll” is back! What’s wrong, bored? Look and both your hands for me and focus on your middle fingers! That’s what I think about your stupid comments! Oh, I see you retired as 1SG for 20 Years? Most guys I know that’s been SF 20+ years or more are MSG and above! What happened to you, butt hurt because you didn’t make SGM? Now run along now Jr, go troll someone else!
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1SG(P) Dean Mcbride (MPER) (SPHR)
1SG(P) Dean Mcbride (MPER) (SPHR)
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I am beginning to think that you may be a POSER - with no military service! I cannot believe that a Staff Sergeant does not know that First Sergeant is a higher rank than a Master Sergeant! Both are E8 pay grade but the First Sergeant is the higher grade. The military rank system is taught in Basic Training and every Private and above would know the system... Now that your true colors are shining through, along with your racist misogynistic attitude, I am through with you. I am no longer ashamed that you are an NCO because you obviously are not in the US Army! I will not waste my time trying to educate a POSER!
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1SG(P) Dean Mcbride (MPER) (SPHR) I got your “POSER”! Apparently you are so lonely you have to search the internet to attack people because little “Keyboard Kommandos”, love storing the pot to fry and get attention! But your wife must have left you a long time ago because she hooked up with your buddy and you thought you and your buddy had that permanent Brokeback Mountain relationship between you! What’s the matter, got “Little Man” issues? Is that why you are “lonely”? I heard they have medication for that! I don’t need to listen to your dumb shit!

But see for someone who’s “supposedly” former SF you sure are an “unprofessional” piece of shit with your comments and attitude! On the last note of my final word to you before I mute your “loser self” GFYAFADTS!
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Sgt Steven Baldwin
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Seriously? Call mommie and daddy? It's NOT a Frat house, it's not the civilian world! If a soldier/airman/marine/sailor is "fit for world wide duty" then treat them like a responsible adult, NOT A FUK-N CHILD!
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SrA Lisa Hunt
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This was wrong for her to do! Keep in mind that just because someone outranks you, it doesn't mean they always make the right decisions. I would go above them and make a complaint. I always stood up for myself, regardless of the other person's rank. If it feels wrong or you feel slighted, run it up the chain. You have rights!
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SFC Jim Tanquary
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Not unless he or she is a Recruiter. I was told from Basic on that an NCO is your new parent.
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CMSgt Vince Mee
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No, the troop needs to stand on own feet and deal with it. NCO was waaaaay out of line, her job to discipline! That is the problem with society today an enlistee is an adult and should be treated as such - the defence “ he/she is only 20+ is bullshit!
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SSG Rick Miller
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No, it's neither standard nor typical. Your SFC should have jumped in your ass knee deep with both feet. Next would definitely be that infamous "Come to Jesus" meeting. Then some type of corrective action. Note I said corrective, not disciplinary. Absolutely last would involving your family, and only if all else fails. If I had to get Mom and Dad involved, it would only be to tell them you were coming home, since we were going to Chapter you out. Trust me, you would get the point sooner rather than later if you worked for me. If your SFC went to that call first, she has a serious lack of leadership skills. She's your Detachment SGT, not your babysitter.
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SGT Erick Holmes
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I never heard of this nor did I do to my Soldiers when I was in. I agree with you on being a grown man and accepting your punishment and owning up to your mishap. I think the NCO did go to far on calling your family. However, if there is more to this story on if you did some time in the brig or going to jail then yea I would inform your family as well. Not to tell them your a dirt bag just to let them know. There could be more to this story than we know but going by what you wrote yes I agree with you that the NCO shouldnt have called your family on that unless your life have been compromised as in your in the hospital fighting for your life etc. Hope thia helps. All I can say is take what you learned from this and apply to life lessons learned and we move on. Remember, no one got hurt no one went to jail so its not the end of the world. Don't do it again buddy.
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MSG Steve Wiersgalla
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Wow. I guess that is a method, in my opinion a very poor method. I cannot say calling a soldiers parents ever even crossed my mind once. This soldier made his mistake, has owned it and is ready to accept the consequences for his adult actions. He is a soldier not a child, mommy and daddy have nothing to do with military discipline. We as NCO's and leaders are preparing soldiers to perform their duties and survive in combat not grade school! They are adults treat them as such. In my opinion that NCO needs some retraining on leading soldiers.
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PO2 Scott Surbrook
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No, it's not any kind of procedure, and it was unprofessional on the part of your SFC. I'm sorry you had to experience that. I hope it serves as some sort of consolation on the matter to know that sometimes it backfires on them. I had an E-6 try the same thing with me over the speaker phone in his office. The thing he didn't know was that my Dad was an 0-4 and I had him dial his work number. He was immediately ordered to switch from speaker phone, and proceeded to have his ass handed to him. Sure, I got an earful from my father later, but the satisfaction of seeing the fear in that E-6's eyes as he was on the phone was priceless!
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