Posted on Nov 7, 2014
Disrespected while correcting a Soldier, how would you handle this situation?
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Ok so there I was at a court-martial asking a Soldier why he was wearing ACUs and not ASUs. He started to catch an attitude, so I told him to go to parade rest. He turned away from me looking at my paralegal, putting his hands in his pockets.
My paralegal tells him that he does not need to be looking at him, but at me, because I was the one addressing him, and that he needs to show respect. As the Soldier continues to stare out at my paralegal with his hands in his pockets, I continue to correct him when a civilian comes out to where I was correcting the Soldier stating that she had work to do and I could "yell" at him some other time.
I was so mind boggled and dumbfounded because said civilian used to be in the military. I'm sorry, but the last time I checked the Soldier was given a direct order by a CPT and myself that the duty uniform for the court-martial was ASUs and an alternate uniform had to be approved by the judge, so I was doing my job by asking him why he was in the wrong uniform and then correcting him when he began to disrespect me.
I felt so disrespected I just walked away and sat in a room to cool off.
How would you have handled the situation?
My paralegal tells him that he does not need to be looking at him, but at me, because I was the one addressing him, and that he needs to show respect. As the Soldier continues to stare out at my paralegal with his hands in his pockets, I continue to correct him when a civilian comes out to where I was correcting the Soldier stating that she had work to do and I could "yell" at him some other time.
I was so mind boggled and dumbfounded because said civilian used to be in the military. I'm sorry, but the last time I checked the Soldier was given a direct order by a CPT and myself that the duty uniform for the court-martial was ASUs and an alternate uniform had to be approved by the judge, so I was doing my job by asking him why he was in the wrong uniform and then correcting him when he began to disrespect me.
I felt so disrespected I just walked away and sat in a room to cool off.
How would you have handled the situation?
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Edited 11 y ago
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probably why he is at a courts martial,your 2 cents do not mean anything at this point,just feel happy that you are part of a team that just got rid of shitbag.
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He's getting court martialed... He's not off to a good start to begin with and not helping his case. He is screwing himself over. I'd let him because in the end he's determining his own chances of getting s job and how messed up his future is going to be. He will, by his own actions, punish himself far worse than anyone else could.
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a well placed throat punch usually puts them back in line., it falls under the article "who gives a shit' Respect should be given no matter what rank, uniform or conditions you are in. that's why the words army and intelligence are rarely ever in the same sentence.
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More paper work. Write him up and add more charges. Now if it had been during my career (retired 30 years ago) we'd would have had a private counseling session in the gear locker. Darn he fell down a ladder.
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If you tear into a civilian be warned that civilian can have you ass. We may be vets but we know we don't have to put up with your bullshit. We are under Title 5 and you are under UCMJ. Big difference.
Most NCO's decided that they like the DOD civilian world to but the people you piss off are the gate keepers.
me personally I gives a shit if you are stringing up a pvt. I think it's funny. I stay out of military business because soldiers have to learn. As long as some idiot NCO thinks he can tell me what to do
Most NCO's decided that they like the DOD civilian world to but the people you piss off are the gate keepers.
me personally I gives a shit if you are stringing up a pvt. I think it's funny. I stay out of military business because soldiers have to learn. As long as some idiot NCO thinks he can tell me what to do
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It sounds to me like a soon to be civilian was showing disdain for Military Behavior & it would be in the best interest if said individual to a lengthy vacay at Leavenworth prior to returning to civilian life.
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In my experience, a Soldier would act like that when confronted by a disrespectful leader. If you approached the Soldier with attitude, then you deserved every bit of it back. Unfortunately, NCOs and officers think it has become okay to talk down to or publicly humiliate Soldiers. As an NCO, I always tried to remain as professional as possible when negatively counseling my subordinates. I also reported toxic leaders for mistreating Soldiers. If you approached the individual with an unprofessional attitude, you were also in violation of UCMJ and should reevaluate the way you conduct yourself. If you were respectful and conducting yourself professionally, then the Soldier deserves corrective action.
Don't forget, you are not that Soldier's leader. He/she has their own. The Soldier most likely did not respond to you because he/she already received proper guidance and you were serving as an additional nuisance to an already-inconvenient situation. Next time, I suggest you find his leadership to make the suggested corrective action. You were likely telling him to do something his NCOs already addressed. Officers tend to overstep.
Remember what you did is more of an NCOs duty.
Don't forget, you are not that Soldier's leader. He/she has their own. The Soldier most likely did not respond to you because he/she already received proper guidance and you were serving as an additional nuisance to an already-inconvenient situation. Next time, I suggest you find his leadership to make the suggested corrective action. You were likely telling him to do something his NCOs already addressed. Officers tend to overstep.
Remember what you did is more of an NCOs duty.
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I'd told the civilian to shut their mouth... the soldier recommended UCMJ On top of his already court martial but you have to just keep writing the Soldier up for every little infraction
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