Posted on Nov 7, 2014
Disrespected while correcting a Soldier, how would you handle this situation?
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Ok so there I was at a court-martial asking a Soldier why he was wearing ACUs and not ASUs. He started to catch an attitude, so I told him to go to parade rest. He turned away from me looking at my paralegal, putting his hands in his pockets.
My paralegal tells him that he does not need to be looking at him, but at me, because I was the one addressing him, and that he needs to show respect. As the Soldier continues to stare out at my paralegal with his hands in his pockets, I continue to correct him when a civilian comes out to where I was correcting the Soldier stating that she had work to do and I could "yell" at him some other time.
I was so mind boggled and dumbfounded because said civilian used to be in the military. I'm sorry, but the last time I checked the Soldier was given a direct order by a CPT and myself that the duty uniform for the court-martial was ASUs and an alternate uniform had to be approved by the judge, so I was doing my job by asking him why he was in the wrong uniform and then correcting him when he began to disrespect me.
I felt so disrespected I just walked away and sat in a room to cool off.
How would you have handled the situation?
My paralegal tells him that he does not need to be looking at him, but at me, because I was the one addressing him, and that he needs to show respect. As the Soldier continues to stare out at my paralegal with his hands in his pockets, I continue to correct him when a civilian comes out to where I was correcting the Soldier stating that she had work to do and I could "yell" at him some other time.
I was so mind boggled and dumbfounded because said civilian used to be in the military. I'm sorry, but the last time I checked the Soldier was given a direct order by a CPT and myself that the duty uniform for the court-martial was ASUs and an alternate uniform had to be approved by the judge, so I was doing my job by asking him why he was in the wrong uniform and then correcting him when he began to disrespect me.
I felt so disrespected I just walked away and sat in a room to cool off.
How would you have handled the situation?
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Let the civilian know she is out of line and to move her hindquarters to a location best suited for her job if she wants to keep it and stay out of your business. Warn the idiot he is about receive more indictable offenses stacked on his sorry ass if he continues to disrespect you.
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First off all I can say is WOW ! Now in reality I would have had the MP's cuff his was and escort him back to his barracks or where ever he lived, to change into the proper Uniform. As fo r that civilian poking her nose in my business, I'd have to her to shut the hell up and mind her own business. She can go cry to whomever she wants. It's time for us right minded people to push back on these belligerent anti-president/ anti-athority knuckle heads that feel they can say and do what they want. I hope the judge threw the book at his sorry ass.
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Well that is a hard situation. For the soldier was already being at a court martial so the soldier was thinking what can you do. If found guilty the soldier will have a price to pay. If not we'll I would have went to his chain of command. Let them handle this soldier appropriately.
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Unclear if the soldier not in compliance with required uniform was somehow involved with the CM other than as a spectator. If he/she was, then the judge would be the authority to adjust the attitude, via the military prosecutor, along with the uni violation. If a spectator, I would direct the individual to depart the CM and return in correct uni if the individual so desired. Court security troops would be available to enforce either the judge's or my corrections.
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Let me give you a civilians perspective. It is my understanding that the only civilian that military persona are required to obey while on a military instillation is the Comander in chief. Whoever the civilian was in this matter should have been removed from the situation and you military guys should then continue on doing what you do without interference.
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Russell Butler
You are totally wrong in your understanding, but in this case it is a moot point. The civilian that asked the poster to "yell at him somewhere else", we can assume, was not in his chain of command. Many military members have civilian supervisors in their chain of command and all of them have an agency level secretary at the very least. You do not really have any clue of what you are talking about.
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When I was in the military; this would not have been such a stupid question. OBEDIANCE is a requirement. YOU don't obey, then people die. IT would have been handled on the spot !!!
I have learned that as your command learns about you, and you about them, most will respect your opinion. BUT, as the junior, you damn well better be right.....That builds integrity and loyalty.
I have learned that as your command learns about you, and you about them, most will respect your opinion. BUT, as the junior, you damn well better be right.....That builds integrity and loyalty.
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More charges! Disrespecting an officer and failure to follow a direct order followed by failure to appear in the proper uniform.
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But us prior service guys who held that high standard and conducted ourselves as requested can get back in because we have high blood pressure. It's just like the new 40 k bonus for enlisting, no guarantee these soldier will make it . Again us prior service guys already demonstrated our loyalty and commitment. This is what's wrong with the Army. They asked for the week and now they are over whelmed with them.
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out him in the brig for 30 days then start all over again just claim hes a flight risk
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Pick your battles. A uniform correction with a soldier standing court-martial is hardly a hill worth dying for. If he was one to be conscientious and respectful, he probably not be standing before a court-martial. The fact that he was disrespectful at the beginning tells you where his head is at. I believe his dress will be noted by the folks on the Courts Marital board, and they will act accordingly.
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