Posted on Nov 7, 2014
Disrespected while correcting a Soldier, how would you handle this situation?
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Ok so there I was at a court-martial asking a Soldier why he was wearing ACUs and not ASUs. He started to catch an attitude, so I told him to go to parade rest. He turned away from me looking at my paralegal, putting his hands in his pockets.
My paralegal tells him that he does not need to be looking at him, but at me, because I was the one addressing him, and that he needs to show respect. As the Soldier continues to stare out at my paralegal with his hands in his pockets, I continue to correct him when a civilian comes out to where I was correcting the Soldier stating that she had work to do and I could "yell" at him some other time.
I was so mind boggled and dumbfounded because said civilian used to be in the military. I'm sorry, but the last time I checked the Soldier was given a direct order by a CPT and myself that the duty uniform for the court-martial was ASUs and an alternate uniform had to be approved by the judge, so I was doing my job by asking him why he was in the wrong uniform and then correcting him when he began to disrespect me.
I felt so disrespected I just walked away and sat in a room to cool off.
How would you have handled the situation?
My paralegal tells him that he does not need to be looking at him, but at me, because I was the one addressing him, and that he needs to show respect. As the Soldier continues to stare out at my paralegal with his hands in his pockets, I continue to correct him when a civilian comes out to where I was correcting the Soldier stating that she had work to do and I could "yell" at him some other time.
I was so mind boggled and dumbfounded because said civilian used to be in the military. I'm sorry, but the last time I checked the Soldier was given a direct order by a CPT and myself that the duty uniform for the court-martial was ASUs and an alternate uniform had to be approved by the judge, so I was doing my job by asking him why he was in the wrong uniform and then correcting him when he began to disrespect me.
I felt so disrespected I just walked away and sat in a room to cool off.
How would you have handled the situation?
Edited 11 y ago
Posted 11 y ago
Responses: 380
Simple, I would have asked the woman "If that is the case why are you not doing your job, instead of trying to do mine?"
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I would have commanded you, Army "captain", to shut your fucking mouth. The soldier, which is all YOU are - a dirt loving, shit saving, oxygen wasting, good for nothing tax waste - to make your "judgement at the first sign of failure from your assigned interviewee. YOU do your job. He's not disrespecting you, you are disrespecting him by insisting the failure point that is YOU, slaggard slime flea, by using your position in the situation to lord over a person you think is a lesser human and lesser VOLUNTEER than you are. Who the fuck are you to call out a person who is already standing trial for an error, to make life difficult for other people, in a professional place of business.
The only thing you are usable as, cunt-bag in chief, is as a paperwork machine in that situation. If you really actual;ly wanted to be a pompous ass then you should have joined the Air Force.
Fucking pricks, making life in service to our nation a strain on federal resources just by by being you...
You would have lasted all of about on local ops run for discretionary training then be sent packing to the surface fleet for removal from service. Was that close - I would follow requlation, like I agreed to, in that situation. "Captain" of my butt, more like it.
YES, STAFF SERGEANT, I KNOW YOU AREN'T A CAPTAIN, but neither are most ship captains. By rank, I mean...most are commanders or lieutenant commanders. Just bothers me...a person being entitled with a duty designator as a paygrage.
The only thing you are usable as, cunt-bag in chief, is as a paperwork machine in that situation. If you really actual;ly wanted to be a pompous ass then you should have joined the Air Force.
Fucking pricks, making life in service to our nation a strain on federal resources just by by being you...
You would have lasted all of about on local ops run for discretionary training then be sent packing to the surface fleet for removal from service. Was that close - I would follow requlation, like I agreed to, in that situation. "Captain" of my butt, more like it.
YES, STAFF SERGEANT, I KNOW YOU AREN'T A CAPTAIN, but neither are most ship captains. By rank, I mean...most are commanders or lieutenant commanders. Just bothers me...a person being entitled with a duty designator as a paygrage.
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PO2 Scott V.
And do disregard the apparent typos as it's difficult mounting your wife and your sister when they are so hungry to be pleased the go to a squid instead of the DMV...haha, I entertain myself sometimes! Great day for it - take off your coat and go outside for a stoogie, show yourself you have half a ball left.
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CPO Lou Oliver
You really give the term Second Class a different meaning. BTW with your attitude you must be truly loved.
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I chased (escorted) a prisoner from our unit up to Division Headquarters while in Vietnam. He was full of attitude, disrespectful of everyone and an all around jerk... What do you actually expect from someone who has gotten themselves into the situation of a court martial?
What is left out in the OP is, was this guy a defendant, a witness or present in some other capacity? The answer would make a big difference in how I responded to him.
What is left out in the OP is, was this guy a defendant, a witness or present in some other capacity? The answer would make a big difference in how I responded to him.
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As stated by others, wit out knowing the details, it's hard to give specific advise. That said, it sounds like the soldier on report has no respect for the situation, your rank, and the military as a whole. If this is his first time, a significant emotion event may be warranted. If it's not his first, it my warrant processing out of the military within regulation.
As for the civilian, prior military or not, this is a military matter and I would have asked to leave and notified her when I was done. I've seen way too many civilians think they are in charge. We are the military, on a military installation, performing and unfortunate duty. Civilians can create some pretty frustrating times. Personally, I would let my COC know about the situation and speak to her supervisor unless someone up the chain would like to do that. Just a thought.
As for the civilian, prior military or not, this is a military matter and I would have asked to leave and notified her when I was done. I've seen way too many civilians think they are in charge. We are the military, on a military installation, performing and unfortunate duty. Civilians can create some pretty frustrating times. Personally, I would let my COC know about the situation and speak to her supervisor unless someone up the chain would like to do that. Just a thought.
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Good Lord! This really happen? Was this a line dog you were correcting? Or gear in the rear? Act that stupid in front of me UCMJ his ass! I'm going after rank, money, and time. Refuse to obey that, I'll haul his butt down to the brig and let the MPs teach him how to be a prisoner. As for the civilian, guess I'm getting UCMJ! They got 2 seconds to return to their cute little office, walking or in a wheelchair their choice! You must have disciplined in the ranks! Without it people die because they won't respect or follow your commands in combat. Being in charge ain't easy, your not gonna make friends. Your gonna have to put your neck in the line for your troopers, that includes your rank! However you can't show weakness. Rank is a fearful and powerful thing which must be respected and obeyed! Trooper has a problem with you, they use chain of command to make sure you are not abusing that power. I was good to my guys, took care of them, stood up for them, protected them, but they knew to get outta line with me would not go well for them. I really don't understand what kinda military y'all have today, but if your putting up with this bullshit you need to tighten up! Either lead or get out before you get someone killed for being a candy ass. I'd rather hurt their feeling, play move the earth closer to the sun games then attend their funerals! I want them to go home in one piece to their families alive. That was my job! If this isn't yours, their deaths will be on your head! Tighten up!
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in my day and command. that would have ended up with your butt waking up in the Med Bay. if disrespected NCO did not do it. Someone else would have with several witnesses stating your punk ass swung first. Was not tolerated by Top Walker in the day. And even full Bird's did not tell that man what to do.
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What the hell do you have a paralegal for? You need to get some Marine training, it appears the Army doesn't have any idea how to handle troops.
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If you were doing this in an office building where people are working you should have stepped outside. Also said soldier was at a court martial so probably just wasting your breath.
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Poor little tyke probably feels put upon, he's at his Court Martial, how dare someone correct his bearing and uniform. Add another charge to list, Disrepect, Disobedience.
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