Posted on Nov 7, 2014
Disrespected while correcting a Soldier, how would you handle this situation?
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Ok so there I was at a court-martial asking a Soldier why he was wearing ACUs and not ASUs. He started to catch an attitude, so I told him to go to parade rest. He turned away from me looking at my paralegal, putting his hands in his pockets.
My paralegal tells him that he does not need to be looking at him, but at me, because I was the one addressing him, and that he needs to show respect. As the Soldier continues to stare out at my paralegal with his hands in his pockets, I continue to correct him when a civilian comes out to where I was correcting the Soldier stating that she had work to do and I could "yell" at him some other time.
I was so mind boggled and dumbfounded because said civilian used to be in the military. I'm sorry, but the last time I checked the Soldier was given a direct order by a CPT and myself that the duty uniform for the court-martial was ASUs and an alternate uniform had to be approved by the judge, so I was doing my job by asking him why he was in the wrong uniform and then correcting him when he began to disrespect me.
I felt so disrespected I just walked away and sat in a room to cool off.
How would you have handled the situation?
My paralegal tells him that he does not need to be looking at him, but at me, because I was the one addressing him, and that he needs to show respect. As the Soldier continues to stare out at my paralegal with his hands in his pockets, I continue to correct him when a civilian comes out to where I was correcting the Soldier stating that she had work to do and I could "yell" at him some other time.
I was so mind boggled and dumbfounded because said civilian used to be in the military. I'm sorry, but the last time I checked the Soldier was given a direct order by a CPT and myself that the duty uniform for the court-martial was ASUs and an alternate uniform had to be approved by the judge, so I was doing my job by asking him why he was in the wrong uniform and then correcting him when he began to disrespect me.
I felt so disrespected I just walked away and sat in a room to cool off.
How would you have handled the situation?
Edited 11 y ago
Posted 11 y ago
Responses: 380
Turn him over to a couple of big drill sergeants for remedial training. If that don't work there is always a court marshal and long confinement at hard labor. Then kick him or her out of the military dishonorably.
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Let's take this highly challenging event out of its' stated context, and place it instead into a hypothetical situation: In a very tense and threatening combat situation, a soldier (generically speaking) is ordered to effect some action that will materially enhance the "friendlies" predicament, be it "get this machine gun over there...!" or whatever. Said soldier decides to cop an attitude, stick hands in pockets, and ignore the order and its' author. Falling back on similar experiences in "the rear" said superior begins to wring hands, vacillate and studiously consider options, all whilst the battle rages on around them and begins to fall to the adversary's advantage. "Oh, woe is me, what to do - that will be fair and just to all involved and not upset feelings...?!" I recall a video recently interviewing a WWII vet who'd served under Chesty Puller (if you don't know who that is, never mind...), and begged to not follow an order in direct conflict with a higher-command directive. Lt. Col. Puller responded, "Well son, if you refuse this order you may or may not get a courts martial, but you will DEFINITELY get a bullet from my .45...!" For crying out loud people -- folks in uniform are WAR FIGHTERS, and they had better be ready to accept unpleasant orders instantly, or understand that they will suffer swift and memorable consequences. Lives - and battles - depend on this principle. Put the damned kid gloves, and the "touchy-feely" mentality away, and become an effective military again!!
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In my day, I would "invited" him behind the barracks....can't now. If allowed, maybe point it out to the board, with suggestion of prison time. He has NO respect for you, the uniform, or the "Oath" he swore. HARD LABOR, then, retrial for original offense.
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Puthimon report, curtail his liberty for the weekend and have him drop and give me 20.
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Time for a good old fashioned smoke session or further charges for failure to obey.
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Its hard to answer this definitively without more info. But in a general sense, as long as you were being professional while correcting the soldier, you could have professionally asked the civilian to let you handle your business to square that Soldier away. Then turn your attention back to the Soldier to finish the on-the-spot correction you were making.
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I haven't witnessed a court martial, only an NJP, however, correct me if I'm wrong here, a court martial is a proper legal proceeding. Couldn't the soldier being tried be arrested for contempt and sent to the brig for however many days?
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I would have had had him thrown back into the "brig" and rescheduled his hearing as many times as necessary. Also, I'm sure that another NJP and more money taken from him would correct that attitude.
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Reprimanded and civilian in writing, and another charge to the soldiering question. And don't get off his back. And I got a write up in the face zone until they can egg knowledge you don't give me an option don't give me any room to move. That individual need to learn what it means to show respect to people obviously a freaking snowflake who need to go to a safe zone her some crap like that.
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