Posted on Nov 7, 2014
Disrespected while correcting a Soldier, how would you handle this situation?
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Ok so there I was at a court-martial asking a Soldier why he was wearing ACUs and not ASUs. He started to catch an attitude, so I told him to go to parade rest. He turned away from me looking at my paralegal, putting his hands in his pockets.
My paralegal tells him that he does not need to be looking at him, but at me, because I was the one addressing him, and that he needs to show respect. As the Soldier continues to stare out at my paralegal with his hands in his pockets, I continue to correct him when a civilian comes out to where I was correcting the Soldier stating that she had work to do and I could "yell" at him some other time.
I was so mind boggled and dumbfounded because said civilian used to be in the military. I'm sorry, but the last time I checked the Soldier was given a direct order by a CPT and myself that the duty uniform for the court-martial was ASUs and an alternate uniform had to be approved by the judge, so I was doing my job by asking him why he was in the wrong uniform and then correcting him when he began to disrespect me.
I felt so disrespected I just walked away and sat in a room to cool off.
How would you have handled the situation?
My paralegal tells him that he does not need to be looking at him, but at me, because I was the one addressing him, and that he needs to show respect. As the Soldier continues to stare out at my paralegal with his hands in his pockets, I continue to correct him when a civilian comes out to where I was correcting the Soldier stating that she had work to do and I could "yell" at him some other time.
I was so mind boggled and dumbfounded because said civilian used to be in the military. I'm sorry, but the last time I checked the Soldier was given a direct order by a CPT and myself that the duty uniform for the court-martial was ASUs and an alternate uniform had to be approved by the judge, so I was doing my job by asking him why he was in the wrong uniform and then correcting him when he began to disrespect me.
I felt so disrespected I just walked away and sat in a room to cool off.
How would you have handled the situation?
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Edited 11 y ago
Posted 11 y ago
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When a troop is that far gone anything you do is useless. He is winning if he makes you that mad. Even though you want to skull $&@? Him Just smile and say okay. The judge will take care of the rest. Being in the military is a mind set and we all bought into it. Some guys just don't and you can't fix it. Put them out and love on with your life
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Write a complaint to the civilian's supervisor; write a charge sheet for the soldier.
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I'm neither an attorney nor a SJA, but my initial impression based upon reading the comments is that the presiding Judge still owns the courtroom. You have no authority over the civilian, but the presiding officer does and he/she has authority over all in that court. Bring the situation to the clerks attention and allow the presiding officer to maintain control of the courtroom. As much as I would have loved to grab some civilians by the stacking swivel many times, general military authority is limited when dealing with civilians.
The civilian became the problem when she/he interfered with a military circumstance, divert the civilian to defending themselves before the presiding officer, then return your attention to the soldier.
The civilian became the problem when she/he interfered with a military circumstance, divert the civilian to defending themselves before the presiding officer, then return your attention to the soldier.
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I get that you're dumbfounded, but clearly it's time to jack this unit up. Being a Marine, i understand we have a different standard. However, this one seems pretty basic.
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Fuck civilians, she needs to stay in her lane. dismiss him for the day or moment and get his chain of responsibility/command in to give him a summarised art15. He was wrong as shit and deliberately disrespected you, disobeyed many lawful orders, etc. A simple counseling or smoke session would be too little.
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I carried over the same policy I followed as a junior enlisted into the civilian world: "Yessir, No sir, three bags full sir, does the senior enlisted mess need their boots shined again and where do I sign up for extra duty?"
These young bucks attitudes never cease to blow my mind.
These young bucks attitudes never cease to blow my mind.
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What was he being court martial for?
Sounds like he a shit bird, and should be kicked out. Would of informed him he was give a lawful order by both a NCO and a Officer, and was in enough yrouble already. Then document it and let him hang himself
Sounds like he a shit bird, and should be kicked out. Would of informed him he was give a lawful order by both a NCO and a Officer, and was in enough yrouble already. Then document it and let him hang himself
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