Posted on Nov 7, 2014
Disrespected while correcting a Soldier, how would you handle this situation?
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Ok so there I was at a court-martial asking a Soldier why he was wearing ACUs and not ASUs. He started to catch an attitude, so I told him to go to parade rest. He turned away from me looking at my paralegal, putting his hands in his pockets.
My paralegal tells him that he does not need to be looking at him, but at me, because I was the one addressing him, and that he needs to show respect. As the Soldier continues to stare out at my paralegal with his hands in his pockets, I continue to correct him when a civilian comes out to where I was correcting the Soldier stating that she had work to do and I could "yell" at him some other time.
I was so mind boggled and dumbfounded because said civilian used to be in the military. I'm sorry, but the last time I checked the Soldier was given a direct order by a CPT and myself that the duty uniform for the court-martial was ASUs and an alternate uniform had to be approved by the judge, so I was doing my job by asking him why he was in the wrong uniform and then correcting him when he began to disrespect me.
I felt so disrespected I just walked away and sat in a room to cool off.
How would you have handled the situation?
My paralegal tells him that he does not need to be looking at him, but at me, because I was the one addressing him, and that he needs to show respect. As the Soldier continues to stare out at my paralegal with his hands in his pockets, I continue to correct him when a civilian comes out to where I was correcting the Soldier stating that she had work to do and I could "yell" at him some other time.
I was so mind boggled and dumbfounded because said civilian used to be in the military. I'm sorry, but the last time I checked the Soldier was given a direct order by a CPT and myself that the duty uniform for the court-martial was ASUs and an alternate uniform had to be approved by the judge, so I was doing my job by asking him why he was in the wrong uniform and then correcting him when he began to disrespect me.
I felt so disrespected I just walked away and sat in a room to cool off.
How would you have handled the situation?
Edited 11 y ago
Posted 11 y ago
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I was a SFC at a Training Center, I was placed in a 1SG slot, while the pending 1SG attended the 1SG Course in Texas. I placed a soldier on the duty roster, and soon after received a call that the soldier was exempt from duty because he worked for the PAO..The person calling was a civilian. I asked her if the soldier had an NCO who was his supervisor, she said Yes!, I said tell his supervisor to call me, as I would not discuss military issues with a civilian. Stated a Sh*t storm. She called the General's Aide, and told him that I told her I hated civilians. The Aide came to my office yelling that the civilian told him I hated civilians. I told him, that is not true, I married a civilian and have civilian Children, What I told her was, " I will not discuss military issues with a civilian" Easily misinterpreted :-)
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CW3 Dick McManus
Why didn't you request the soldier to come by to see you? Then you could have asked him what was going on.
What you should have done when you stated hearing the civilian yelling, was to tell her/him you had to go to the toilet and leave your office and/or go have coffee at the PX.
Put that into the Training of 1SGs.
What you should have done when you stated hearing the civilian yelling, was to tell her/him you had to go to the toilet and leave your office and/or go have coffee at the PX.
Put that into the Training of 1SGs.
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Just curious how the soldier got all the way from his barracks or quarters to the site of the court-martial with out anyone inspecting his uniform. I understand that the CPT gave a direct and lawful order, but who was responsible for supervising the solider to ensure they were at the right place and time in correct uniform. Sorry if this seem a bit politically incorrect, but sounds like a supervision and leadership problem from the ground up.
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CW3 Dick McManus
LTC Weaver never learned much as he made rank. Who give a shit about this matter. We are training soldiers to fight wars, not how to show up for court martials.
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It's the bailiff role to ensure all present are in proper attire. Should have a word with them.
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I had my own walk-of-shame as a young LCpl. I got off a midnight-to-4 line watch shift on Christmas morning on sunny Whidbey Island, WA. Ok, not so sunny, actually very windy and very cold. For the rest of the day I was assigned as 7th supernut, to hang out in the barracks. But, I made the unwise mental calculation that since I was 7th, the surely wouldn't miss me for a few hours and I could drive home and spend some time with wife and kids and come back. Well, it seems some sailor skipped his linewatch, and likewise the 1st supernut was gone too, which of course led to a muster of everyone, which I missed along with three sailors. So, had to face Captains mast with the Commander of my FRAMP squadron. Little different experience than the guy described in the court-martial story. Somewhat humorous, and I bet there are a few vets here who had similar experiences. So I had to see the XO first. I am instructed to enter when my name is called, march to his desk and report, and to not look at him but stare at telephone pole out his window. Everything goes as described. I admit my transgression and I am ordered to next report to the CO. Again told to enter, march up to his podium with my toes touching the base of the podium and report. I do as instructed, and seeing that same telephone pole outside his window as well, I naturally refer back to prior experience and stare at that pole. Here I am, 5' 4" Marine squared off with this 6'+ Navy Commander, who also has the advantage of his podium giving him about another 4" of elevation, and he begins to speak in a stern voice. He doesn't even finish his first sentence when he stops, leans towering over my head, yells quite loudly down on me, "You want to look at me when I am talking to you Marine?!!!!" As a tiny stream of urine is involuntarily released down my leg (figuratively) and any ideas of what I might say to him to get me leniency for my skipping duty for a few hours Christmas morning immediately falling away from my memory; all I could say was YES SIR! and stare into his glare as he hands down his punishment, really a slap on the wrist. What was forever seared into my consciousness though was I was not going to let this man down again.
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I probably wouldn't have cooled off, put added new charges to his list of woes. Surely it might help him be relieved of having to report to anyone.
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You probably handled it the best way. I probably would have told him to straighten up and answer my question or the next court martial would be his.
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Come to 30th AG at fort benning lol. This has happened to me on multiple occasions in the last year. Best thing to do is be firm with the civilian in front of the soldier, speak offline, and always remember, everyone answers to someone. This will help maintain the power base in front of your soldier and keep it from turning into a shouting match. If the civilian refuses to speak offline, go nuclear and go above their head. Some civilians need to be reminded that they can be fired.
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It all depends on the manner of your correcting and the personality of said civilian. If that civilian isnt easily pushed to be confrontational, I would have apologized and taken the soldier somewhere else to handle them. If that civilian is just whiny and would complain about noise if someone lightly coughed, I would have probably still walked away with the soldier, then came back to handle that incident.
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How loud was the conversation? Because you could have dragged this soldier to a more private area and continued your conversation there.
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SFC (Join to see)
Lt Col (Join to see), It wasn't loud at all. I'm not the type of person to raise my voice.
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