Posted on Oct 24, 2017
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I deal with cadets a lot, and they insist they out "rank" every NCO in the army. My usual response is somewhere around the guides of "uh-huh." Can I get some clarity of this?
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SN Jay Perry
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I know that in the USN the two lower years were generally treated as being non-rated (below E-3) status. The third year usually got treated as something like a first class (E-6). And the fourth years were in khaki's and got treated something like JO's (O-1's with about as much real respect). Most departments on the ship would have a list of crap jobs for the middies to do while they were in their divisions.
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CPT Transportation Officer
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No. On paper, a cadet's pay grade is E-5. The "best" argument they could have is that they are "equal" to an E-5, which we all know is wrong. If the cadets you deal with insist they outrank NCOs, please direct them to the nearest NCO (better yet, a senior NCO) and have them try and explain that to them. It will be a great time, I promise!
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SGT Tim Fridley
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Technically yes they do however a good Officer will inform the cadets to listen to their NCOs
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Capt Andrew Hairston
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My thoughts are that a cadet/candidate/whatever their respective branch calls them does not necessarily outrank an NCO. At least in the Marine Corps, going through OCS as a candidate you're not technically a Marine Officer until you receive your commission, and that is when you first receive any form of actual military rank.
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Capt Andrew Hairston
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Additionally, as a candidate I think trying to pull "rank" would end very poorly for anyone outside of maybe a mustang.
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GySgt Charles O'Connell
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Since a Cadet is not actually in the Armed Forces until their training is complete, I'd have the little sh*t get me another cup of coffee.
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CSM Tee Oden
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Respect for rank and respect for an individual is two different things. As I had cadets and 2LTs in my unit, we had a CLEAR understanding who is in charge upon arrival!!! I've had the pleasure of reminding one Cadet once and he developed into an outstanding retired Brigadier General. We have been friends now for 32 years.
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SPC William Smith
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I've trained thousands of cadets and my answer is this those cadets are NOT completely commissioned until they've completed BOLC they are warranted a salute and the greeting of the day in garrison. Other than that they're on a student status and are not ENTITLED to any special treatment.
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SPC Motor Transport Operator
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Cadets do not outrank an NCO until they officially commission into the US military, which does not happen until completion of their schooling/training.
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SSG John Jensen
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told one cadet that the E-5 on his ID card was a pay grade not a rank.
and every PVT who goes through Basic Training memorizes every rank in the Army and there is no Cadet in the list.
Cadet/E-5 is not a rank, it is a pay grade
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GySgt Charles O'Connell
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NO, NO, A THOUSAND TIMES NO! They are Cadets, under training, there to learn, not to assume responsibilities they are not ready.
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