Posted on Oct 24, 2017
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I deal with cadets a lot, and they insist they out "rank" every NCO in the army. My usual response is somewhere around the guides of "uh-huh." Can I get some clarity of this?
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SGT Dave Tracy
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Yes, but...
(always a good start to a story)

If you want to have a good time, grab you some popcorn, have a seat, and watch what happens when a know-it-all cadet tries to tell a battle-hardened Infantry Platoon Sergeant what's-what. Having watched that show before, I can tell you, that's some good entertainment!
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CPT (Join to see) - Excellent response.
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
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SGT Dave Tracy...
OUCH ~ LMAO.
"...Cadet tries to tell a battle-hardened Infantry Platoon Sergeant what's-what. Having watched that show before, I can tell you, that's some good entertainment!
"May I Come Over And Watch Too" !?
"I'll Ya What, I'll Even Bring A Case Of Beer & A Few Bags Of Chips.
I'll Most Likely Be Laughing At That Cadet All Day!"
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SGT Dave Tracy
SGT Dave Tracy
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney - That incident still makes me smile!
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
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SGT Dave Tracy -
Makes You Smile?
CRACKS Me UP!!
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SGT Eliyahu Rooff
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I'd love to see one try pulling rank on a CSM. The show would be well worth the price of admission.
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SSgt Mary Dungan
SSgt Mary Dungan
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2LT (Join to see) , When I was in NCO leadership school, we had a group of cadets come visit, and they were just about ready to graduate and get commissioned. They asked us our advice. Mine was don't go in acting like you know everything and listen to your chief. Don't make the mistake of thinking you know more than they do. I said that's the best way they can get to know what they need to do and how things work. They told me that that was very good advice.
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SFC James  (JD) Flemal
SFC James (JD) Flemal
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My CSM called them spot. After some discussion from senior officers they did their best to avoid him. Lol
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PO1 Briann Helms Roberts
PO1 Briann Helms Roberts
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Cadets and Midshipmen are paid at the equivalent rate of E-5. If they flunk out, are removed, or quit, they by law are required to serve their obligated time starting at the rank of E-3. While I served at CG Officers Candidate School I never saw that happen. They were released directly back into civilian society with VA benefits.

So no, Technically and legally they do not out rank E-6 and above.
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CPT Jerry Lucas
CPT Jerry Lucas
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PO1 Briann Helms Roberts - AR 600-20 Army Command Policy, Table 1-1, lists all Army ranks in order, from General of the Army down to Private E-1. West Point cadets, ROTC cadets, officer candidates and warrant officer candidates, all fall below WO-1 and above Sergeant Major of the Army, E-9. So, yes, technically and legally, cadets and candidates outrank all enlisted personnel. I'm sure the other branches have similar
policies as https://milreg.com/File.aspx?id=321
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SGM Erik Marquez
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2LT (Join to see) See AR 600-20 table 1-1
You will find Academy Cadets and Senior ROTC cadets are in precedence between Warrant officers and NCO.
Generally a Senior ROTC cadet is a 3rd or 4th year scholarship contracted cadet.
So a 1st and 2nd year non contracted cadets have no rank as it applies to service members.

Though in the Cadet command and working with them, we commonly referred to all cadets as "sir" or "Ma'am" Or "Cadet Name"
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CPT Larry Hudson - "That was my job. I delighted in it." How are you as "Chief Executive Officer (CEO) at Hudson Land & Cattle LLC?" Are you appreciated as a hard a$$ as a civilian????
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PO1 Robert Ryan
PO1 Robert Ryan
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I was performing MP Duty at Fort Lewis way back in 1973, I stopped a possible drunk driver, the person un the car refused to provide ID, and cooperate. I was a buck sergeant then. He told me did not have enough rank to stop him, and he then threaten me that when got out the car he would kick m my ass. As soon as his foot hit the ground, I put him on the ground and hand cuffed him. Fin ally getting to see his ID i saw that he was a cadet at West Point on holiday leave. His last name caught my eye, and it was the same as the base commander, I contacted my duty officer. To make a story short this cadet was the son of the base commander. The Commander wanted to see me in the morning, Here I was SGT nobody having to go see the base commander. The General asked to explain what happened that led me to have to deal with his son. After telling me he had no issues with I had done, he asked if I had filed the MP report yet. I said no, I think my duty officer is going to do that. He said that his son was i n the top 5% of his class at West point and if the report got field his son could be kicked out of Werst Point. His son was 20 years old. A report was not filed, but the General made his son apologizer to me for his behavior. When he was detained the breathalyzer showed he was indeed driving drunk. i think I did the right thing by nott having done a report. My duty officer held off filing one also. I think that young cadet learned a valuable lesson from that incident.
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PFC Elaine Knowles
PFC Elaine Knowles
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And if he hadn’t been the base commander son?
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SSgt Dennis Hunter
SSgt Dennis Hunter
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Wrong move...his son SHOULD have been kicked out of West Point. Not your job to 'teach a lesson'...which you DIDN'T do. You just taught this punk that the rules are not made for him. Daddy should have been reported to your supervisor for trying to persuade you to violate regulations.
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