Posted on Oct 24, 2017
Do cadets actually outrank non-commissioned officers?
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Yes, they out rank NCOs per reg. Any cadet worth a shit, don't pull rank period. Myself and a PFC assisted a fresh AF 2LT on the ins and outs of what we do because he had no clue and admitted as much. His humble attitude and willingness to learn garnered mountains of respect from all of us. When fuck ups happened, he admitted fault. He turned out to be an amazing leader and should be coming up on CPT soon.
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This question has come up and was discussed some time back however you will find your answer in AR 600-20, Army Comand Policy, which makes it pretty clear that West Point cadets do, in fact, outrank Army NCOs. This regulation shows that cadets rank after commissioned and warrant officers, but before NCOs.
If you have question regarding duty assignment and authority you will find the answer in the same AR in section 2.
If you have question regarding duty assignment and authority you will find the answer in the same AR in section 2.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
But a Cadet (or Candidate) is a special rank and they are not in the Chain of Command nor eligible to take that position from how I read the AR. So while an Officer could assign a Cadet to a duty position, the authority of that position comes from the Officer making at assignment and not the fact that a Cadet technically is a higher rank than, lets say, the First Sergeant.
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COL Jerry C.
CPT Lawrence Cable Not clear on the point you are making. However the question was regarding a Cadets order with regard to NCO's etc.
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They do outrank NCOs and warrant officers. We are considered higher ranking than a WO5 and considered lower than a 2LT.
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CW2 Erick Lopez
Check your AR 600-20 because you are wrong in stating that you outrank a WO5 or any Warrant Officer for that matter.
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1LT (Join to see)
CW2 Erick Lopez I was wrong sir, an officer told me the wrong information with who outranks who. we technically outrank a CSM, but at the end of the day it doesn't matter because you will be considered trainees.
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SFC Harry H.
1LT (Join to see) - Keep in mind, though a Cadet may out rank a CSM, a CSM's better half is a COL. Just know your roll.
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SFC Harry H. you are correct SFC. Even though I outrank him/her, they still have a higher position than me. even when I am cadet, I dont not expect any special privileges.
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Wow. We often had. Cadets come out for a FAM trip familarization in my 1st squadron. Of course they thought they were king cheese. Ya. Nope. We would do some pretty basic mean kid stuff to these poor guys when they went on their 1st jet ride. The list is quite long. My fav was giving them a clear garbage bag for their "cookies" to ne tossed in. We also hazed them basically about seat ejections and so on. They stopped being so high and mighty acting and had better understanding of who was in control of the AC till launching. Geez. I'm not for being disrespectful but sometimes I really had to bite my tongue. Or just hand them my tool pouch and walk away since they "knew" so much. Aw. The old days.
But...EVERY launch was done with a smart salute at the end.
But...EVERY launch was done with a smart salute at the end.
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One summer while covering cadet summer camp as part of a Medevac crew, we were briefed and told that cadets have only signed a scholarship contract and would not be official members of the military until they commissioned. It was intriguing because during the same summer camp, some were scheduled to attend jump school and wear jump wings.
I was also briefed that they were paid as E5’s and to address them as Cadet Smith or whatever their last name. Never had one question our authority and by the same token, we treated them with respect. Some of them were looking for commissions as MSC officers.
I was also briefed that they were paid as E5’s and to address them as Cadet Smith or whatever their last name. Never had one question our authority and by the same token, we treated them with respect. Some of them were looking for commissions as MSC officers.
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They are cadets, not yet commissioned or members of any branch of the military. Therefore privileges afforded commissioned officers are not theirs to claim. Including salutes.
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A good Sergeant can salute and say sir and make the recipeant grind his teeth
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