Posted on Oct 24, 2017
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I deal with cadets a lot, and they insist they out "rank" every NCO in the army. My usual response is somewhere around the guides of "uh-huh." Can I get some clarity of this?
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SSG Motor Transport Operator
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We have a cadet who was an e4 a couple months ago. Well, now she gets to go to CUBS and try and give input on our training...Worthless.
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Cpl Michael Milstead
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As a Corporal, my new lieutenants learned. I take care of day to day. Let me know when it changes. We will be ready, enjoy your meetings. NCO IS TOUGH, WE KNOW.
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SGM Andre Turner
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Nope hey are students , they have not enlisted in the service yet hell no. that is from the sergeant Major me!
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SGM Andre Turner
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Nope sorry they do not , because they have not enlisted yet they are still students.
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Sgt Thomas King
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My unit was 2862 GEEIA
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SSgt William Blanshan
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Cadets are like recruits. They don't outrank the dirt.
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CPT Kurk Harris
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Definition of commission
1a : a formal written warrant granting the power to perform various acts or duties
b : a certificate conferring military rank and authority also : the rank and authority so conferred received a lieutenant's commission in the army
2 : an authorization or command to act in a prescribed manner or to perform prescribed acts : charge a commission to serve as notary public
3a : authority to act for, in behalf of, or in place of another … had summoned all the clans which acknowledged his commission …— T. B. Macaulay

So, no. Cadets have not yet been commissioned, and therefore have not been conferred rank OR authority. It is customary, when a cadet is given a temporary leadership role for their professional leadership development, for them to be treated as if they have authority, and in a sense the have the authority delegated by the officer who has placed them in the role, but they hold no rank that is senior to enlisted members. In function NCOs will humor them, and let them make decisions, but that only because the NCOs understand that they need to develop some leadership skills before being commissioned and getting legal authority.
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Sgt Anthony Leverington
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What sort of cadets are we taking about here. ROTC? Military Academy?
It was always my understanding that, if you weren't in the actual military, you didn't out rank diddly squat. I can't speak for college level cadets but in high school ROTC, we had the Marine Silent Drill Team come to our school for a demonstration and every single one of us, regardless of rank, showed the utmost respect to even their lowest ranking team member.
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CPT Armor Officer
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Fuck no. They have not earned their commission, placed into a warrant spot, or gone through basic/ait. I was a cadet, and made it clear to those around me that unless you are told "hey, you're the acting LT" the no. The dot carries no rank, nor authority inside an actual army unit. They can shadow, make reccomendations, but cannot give orders. If i had a ca-dot try and tell my guys what to do without my go ahead, there would be a world of misery brought onto him.
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PO1 Kevin Dougherty
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MY last duty assignment I was LPO for Electronics. Every few months the junior officers would rotate departments to get experience in the different areas. In most cases, and always with ensigns, the CO would call us both into his day room and instruct them that they were there to learn, they were not to tell me what to do, but ask me what they should be doing. Butterbars being butterbars, that rarely happened, but a quick word to the Ops officer was always enough to straighten things out if it got too bad. There was only one I had to cast to the sharks ... not sure he ever made JG even.
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