Posted on Oct 24, 2017
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I deal with cadets a lot, and they insist they out "rank" every NCO in the army. My usual response is somewhere around the guides of "uh-huh." Can I get some clarity of this?
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SFC Platoon Sergeant / Troop Readiness Nco
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In the guard we have both candidates (OCS E6) & Cadet (ROTC E5), Both hold a junior NCO pay grade. With every one some are good, some are bad, and generally just like a "bad NCO" which are just as numerous you use tact, respect the position as many are actually filling those positions not shadowing, and attempt to aid them in seeing things your way off line and not in front of your troops. As a E7 i have seen numerous cadets, some are awesome, some suck, some never commission, some go on to make general. In every case as with us NCOs a leader that doesn't listen to his men isn't a leader. If you try to work out your issues then use your commissioned officers in your chain, have examples, and make sure it isn't just he has a different way of tackling the situation. Unless lives are on the line every opportunity is a training one.
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SGM Debra Bradshaw
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Only once.
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I don't the regs on this, but the few months I've ran into cadets during my sleeping hours (I worked night shift), they always had an actual Officer shadowing them. They didn't disturb our sleep and we in turn didn't **** with them. Had a few times where they'd camp by my window and make noise and other rucks, but I'd catch the CO's attention and he'd fix it. No drama here.
SPC Jackson Stevens
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This is your opportunity to teach the young bucks how military ranks really work.

Cadets never hear of or from god.
O-1s and O-2s rarely hear of or from god.
O-3s occasionally hear of and from god.
O-4s hear of and from god.
O-5s communicate with God.
When Generals and Admirals talk with god they refer to them as CSM or Chief.

As an E-4, I was honored to spend about 10 straight hours with SMA Glen E. Morrell as he toured the 2nd Armored Division in Ft Hood TX. It was that day that I realized that this “enlisted man” spent as much time with the Commanding Generals as anyone. And CG worth his salt is NOT going to consider the words of the military Senior Enlistees.

Important: the sooner the new officers learn how the Enlisted and Officer ranks work together, the better the leadership skills of the new Officer will become.
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SFC Nelson L. Friday-González
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It depends on the individual Cadet, if they didn't have any leadership skills and or combat experience, I would see them as journeyman that I would have to guide.
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1LT Platoon Leader
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No they do not outrank them they are not officially in the military until they finish school. You show them respect like you would an officer but you don’t salute them. They get paid as an E-5 or the rank they held as enlisted if they were of a higher rank. The reason they don’t have any rank is because they are in training or shadowing and they have not finished their schooling to become a commissioned officer. Some military academy’s like west point make it seem like their 3rd and 4th year students have more power but that is only give for them at the school or they are empowered by another officer at a unit. I was in the ROTC and I use to hate seeing cadets go on power trips as if they actually had some power. Being a prior non commissioned officer I would fix this in a heartbeat. They would think since they were paid as an E-5 they had that power. They are there to learn and shadow the officers at the unit so they know what they will be doing in the future.
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SPC David Martin
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UNGRADUATED PREP SCHOOL CADETS HAVE ZERO RANK.....Unless my understanding of when your Commission as an Officer COMMENCES...
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Lt Col Branch Chief, Personnel Recovery & Msn Spt
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Title 10 Students (Cadets) are afforded the pay of E5 when on active duty for training. Academy Cadets are slightly different, they receive a stripend approved by Congress using a computational model. Per title 10, all cadets are now not afforded the level of responsibility and authority delegates to them by superior officers. When activated for combat, they revert to the rank of E5 and wear stripes (I did it in Desert Storm). I hope this answers your question.
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SFC Jeffrey Port
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Hello, All the Cadets I worked with were paid same as E-5 rank, and I never let one of them attempt to think they outrank me!
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CPT Special Forces Officer
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By regulation, yes. In the real world, no good cadet or midshipman should be throwing their weight around like this.
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