Posted on Oct 24, 2017
Do cadets actually outrank non-commissioned officers?
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When talking about any subject, whether or not it's part of a question, using 'actual(ly)' and/or DOES NOT sound good at all.
Ditto for repetition of word(s)/phrase(s).
Ditto for repetition of word(s)/phrase(s).
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if they're wearing that gay as dot on their uni... fuck em. Some gay ass ROTC asswipe doesn't mean shit in the military. Tell the ROTC fucktard to go kiss a jellyfish
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Until that cadet is commissioned, they won’t be giving me orders, it was hard enough listening to a 90 day wonder
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I am glad I did not have to deal with that. We had what we called want to be officers or midshipmen. We treated them like riders because they were usually only onboard for 1 week. We had to show them what to do and they always had to have someone qualified behind them.
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7th Army cooperation assures success for '3rd lieutenants'
The cooperation of 7th Army combat troops to West Point "3rd lieutenants" is making the cadet summer overseas training program a huge success, the deputy commandant of the U.S. Military Academy declared here.
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thats a joke right. these idiots are not even in the military yet. school kids
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No, they do not. They are to be treated with respect, hhowever, that's as far as that goes.
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Cadets don't outrank anyone other than lower ranked cadets. They aren't even officially in the Army yet, let alone commissioned as officers. There are, however, certain rules of decorum with which we are expected to abide, acknowledging their future stations.
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LTC (Join to see)
You were misinformed.
38 U.S. Code § 1965
(1) The term “active duty” means—
(A) full-time duty in the Armed Forces, other than active duty for training;
(B) full-time duty (other than for training purposes) as a commissioned officer of the Regular or Reserve Corps of the Public Health Service;
(C) full-time duty as a commissioned officer of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration; and
(D) full-time duty as a cadet or midshipman at the United States Military Academy, United States Naval Academy, United States Air Force Academy, or the United States Coast Guard Academy.
38 U.S. Code § 1965
(1) The term “active duty” means—
(A) full-time duty in the Armed Forces, other than active duty for training;
(B) full-time duty (other than for training purposes) as a commissioned officer of the Regular or Reserve Corps of the Public Health Service;
(C) full-time duty as a commissioned officer of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration; and
(D) full-time duty as a cadet or midshipman at the United States Military Academy, United States Naval Academy, United States Air Force Academy, or the United States Coast Guard Academy.
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SGT Richard H.
LTC (Join to see) - Where does that demonstrate that I was misinformed, Sir? My reading comprehension skills are well above average, and I can't quite make out where this says anything along the lines of "college student on an ROTC summer camp". Unless there's something between the lines that I'm not seeing these are all specific to the academies. Cadets, especially those that typically come in contact with active duty units ,are statistically most likely to be just that.
(D) full-time duty as a cadet or midshipman at the United States Military Academy, United States Naval Academy, United States Air Force Academy, or the United States Coast Guard Academy.
(D) full-time duty as a cadet or midshipman at the United States Military Academy, United States Naval Academy, United States Air Force Academy, or the United States Coast Guard Academy.
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LTC (Join to see)
Thanks for the question SGT Hanner - and thanks for your service! My comment was
passive voice and my intent was that the action (misinforming) was done to you, not by you. You and I do not agree that, "...cadets aren't even officially in the Army yet...." My
answer provided current law on the question with respect to cadets/midshipmen at DoD
and DHS (Coast Guard) academies. Despite an exchange weekend there, I've never really figured out the Merchant Marine Academy which is federal and falls under the Department
of Transportation. The following paragraph, which I had not posted, provides that "active
Duty for Training" includes, "...full-time duty as a member, cadet, or midshipman of the
Reserve Officers Training Corps while attending field training or practice cruises;"
My view about the discussions who outranks who aren't all that productive; however, in the interests of time (I'm flying home early tomorrow for a week's leave and I need to
finishing packing & get some sleep) and completing the record, here's the information. The Army makes it clear in Army AR 600-20, Army Command Policy. Please refer to Tables 1-1 and 1-2 on pages 3-6. On the lighter side, Table 1-2 may have an slight error.
As 4th Class Cadets (Freshmen) we had to memorize and recite that West Point Cadets
outranked the Superintendent's dog, the Commandant's cat as well as all Navy Admirals
and Air Force Generals. Back to serious info, you will find AR 600-20 provisions for
succession to command on page 15, "Death, disability, retirement, reassignment, or
absence of the commander (Para 2-8 a.(3)), "Absence or disability of all officers of a
unit" (Para 2-9) and "Emergency command" (Para 2-10) Here's the URL to the regulation posted on the army.mil domain - and a CAC card is not required for access. I'm not sure if hyperlinks are active within rallypoint.com comments. If not, you can copy the URL into a browser. https://armypubs.army.mil/epubs/DR_pubs/DR_a/pdf/web/r600_20.pdf
passive voice and my intent was that the action (misinforming) was done to you, not by you. You and I do not agree that, "...cadets aren't even officially in the Army yet...." My
answer provided current law on the question with respect to cadets/midshipmen at DoD
and DHS (Coast Guard) academies. Despite an exchange weekend there, I've never really figured out the Merchant Marine Academy which is federal and falls under the Department
of Transportation. The following paragraph, which I had not posted, provides that "active
Duty for Training" includes, "...full-time duty as a member, cadet, or midshipman of the
Reserve Officers Training Corps while attending field training or practice cruises;"
My view about the discussions who outranks who aren't all that productive; however, in the interests of time (I'm flying home early tomorrow for a week's leave and I need to
finishing packing & get some sleep) and completing the record, here's the information. The Army makes it clear in Army AR 600-20, Army Command Policy. Please refer to Tables 1-1 and 1-2 on pages 3-6. On the lighter side, Table 1-2 may have an slight error.
As 4th Class Cadets (Freshmen) we had to memorize and recite that West Point Cadets
outranked the Superintendent's dog, the Commandant's cat as well as all Navy Admirals
and Air Force Generals. Back to serious info, you will find AR 600-20 provisions for
succession to command on page 15, "Death, disability, retirement, reassignment, or
absence of the commander (Para 2-8 a.(3)), "Absence or disability of all officers of a
unit" (Para 2-9) and "Emergency command" (Para 2-10) Here's the URL to the regulation posted on the army.mil domain - and a CAC card is not required for access. I'm not sure if hyperlinks are active within rallypoint.com comments. If not, you can copy the URL into a browser. https://armypubs.army.mil/epubs/DR_pubs/DR_a/pdf/web/r600_20.pdf
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I guess I am missing something here, show me in your regulation that a cadet, "college student" out ranks any enlisted person. Their rank structure is only for training purposes and they are not an actual officer until they receive their commission. So once again how do they out rank any NCO unless they are doing some sort of training say on ship or at a base and are under the direct order of the commander? Maybe I am just reading this thread wrong.
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SGT Mustafa Stokely
Hello. That regulation is AR 600-20
https://mwi.usma.edu/yes-sergeant-actually-west-point-cadet-outrank/
https://mwi.usma.edu/yes-sergeant-actually-west-point-cadet-outrank/
Yes, Sergeant, Actually That West Point Cadet Does Outrank You - Modern War Institute
Scott Faith argues that contrary to popular belief West Point and ROTC cadets outrank NCO's according to Army Command Policy.
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They are cadets and are to be addressed as cadets, Mr. or Mrs. Responsibility wise they are equal to an E-5 and even get paid as one. AR 600-20 does have the cadets over the ncos and below warrants but it contradicts itself because they are not yet commissioned or branch certified. Obviously something that needs to be addressed but who writes the regulations? Officers. Go figure.
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