Posted on Oct 24, 2017
Do cadets actually outrank non-commissioned officers?
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only as far as if they are the acting ood or they have the conn, etc otherwise,,,, no
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Basically according to law, Yes,
but it is all about respect.
Give it and you will get it.
You will also learn more about how to lead when commissioned.
There ARE cadets like that and those are the good ones. Help them learn and they will remember.
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A cadet that indiscriminately pulls rank on an NCO because he can has a judgement and an aptitude for the service problem that needs to be corrected. I kinda like the LTC's method, especially if the cadet did not get it after a little chat about how things really were.
This is an age old problem manifested in different forms but it basically comes down to some officer (cadet) taking the attitude that "they have to do what I say because I am senior to them".
You will never get the best out of folks with that attitude and I have had that argument with more than one prior non-com who had been commissioned. I wouldn't tolerate it with O-1's and expected O-2's to have figured that out by then. If they showed that kind of problem, that they were just a martinet, and kept at it after counseling, they got buried.
Now, that said, be professional and salute these guys since you are a professional. If they don't salute back or get goofy about it, you will have already shown who is more professional. They will get theirs.
but it is all about respect.
Give it and you will get it.
You will also learn more about how to lead when commissioned.
There ARE cadets like that and those are the good ones. Help them learn and they will remember.
BUT
A cadet that indiscriminately pulls rank on an NCO because he can has a judgement and an aptitude for the service problem that needs to be corrected. I kinda like the LTC's method, especially if the cadet did not get it after a little chat about how things really were.
This is an age old problem manifested in different forms but it basically comes down to some officer (cadet) taking the attitude that "they have to do what I say because I am senior to them".
You will never get the best out of folks with that attitude and I have had that argument with more than one prior non-com who had been commissioned. I wouldn't tolerate it with O-1's and expected O-2's to have figured that out by then. If they showed that kind of problem, that they were just a martinet, and kept at it after counseling, they got buried.
Now, that said, be professional and salute these guys since you are a professional. If they don't salute back or get goofy about it, you will have already shown who is more professional. They will get theirs.
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Yep this is right about where that is. Technically it is a yes, but also it is a no.
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This is hilarious! What this cartoon LT (and some real life LTs) don't seem to understand is that the orders a SGM issues are more often than not handed down (either implicitly or explicitly) from a senior commissioned or General Officer. The primary job of a SGM is to execute the commander's authority, not recreate it. If a LT wants to have a short-lived career as an officer, this would be one way to do it.
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I was told in BMT that an Airman Basic outranks a cadet. Cadet is a training rank and their service doesn't even count unless they are injured or die.
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Cadets in no way “outrank” NCO’s because they aren’t commissioned yet. NCO’s in ROTC will guide the Cadets with tough Love, but they know that if they make it through, these Cadets with be Commissioned Officers and then they technically outrank them. If they are smart, they will let them NCO’s guide them as 2LT’s and point them in the right direction but if they try to project that they know it all just because they completed ROTC and “boss” the NCO’s around, it will be tough for them.
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