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I deal with cadets a lot, and they insist they out "rank" every NCO in the army. My usual response is somewhere around the guides of "uh-huh." Can I get some clarity of this?
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SGT Milton Pridemore
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Was never taught the cadet ranks in basic and had a lot of them come through the Artillery units I was in...They were treated as privates..No salutes...No authority to tell me anything...I marched them to and from the barracks...they were not called Sir. They were there to learn what they didnt know simply put. The cadets that showed a lot of interest in my job and everything Artillery in general I tried to cram everything I possibly could into teaching them. Spent a lot of late hours I didnt have to after the regular work day answering question and demonstrating stuff the didnt quite pick up the day before. Last time they saw me was by the when they were getting on the bus to leave...I saluted and just said Sir! I got the snappiest return salutes and the biggest shit eatin grins from those guys. I sure miss teaching!
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PO2 John Driskill
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I remember back in the '70's at NAS Pensacola when a freshly commissioned Ensign came back to give the Marine Drill Sgt. a bunch of crap for giving him a hard time in flight school training. It didn't go well for the Ensign after the higher ups at the base got finished with him. He got to fly a desk afterwards.
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2d Lt Logistics Readiness Officer (LRO)
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I was a cadet at USAFA and I remember being told we were below E-1s.
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LT Stewart Herrick
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In point of fact, in the field, a shavetail Lt. does not outrank a seasoned Platoon Sgt.
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SFC Cheryl McElroy US ARMY (RET)
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No, they don't outrank non-commissioned officers. They're cadets. They're in training. Once they graduate, they have a rank.
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CPT Lawrence Cichelli
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Well yes they do out rank NCOs. Legally the have the status of warrant officers (WO1). Yes enlisted personnel are to salute then and call them either Cadet or sir or ma'am depending on the Cadet's sex. Funny thing though Cadets are not subject to UCMJ, weird right? I can laugh at this because I was on both sides of the fence. In my young college days an ROTC cadet. At least I had enough sense to listen to NCOs because at that time they knew better and had a lot more experience. when I became a MSG, I never got grief from Cadets because they realized I had 25 or more years experience and some know I "been there done that" in their shoes. IMO, senior NCOs help train Cadets to become better officers. It worked for me to mentor Cadets.
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SFC Cynthia Eyer
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No, they do not. Cadets are paid E5 pay and hold no rank, other than cadet. They have not completed the course that affords them their rank, therefore, have no rank to be outed.
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SSG Stanley Biggs
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Yes, they do, back in the late 1970`s, the NCOes called them 'spots', as when they showed up to train with Regular Army units, their insignias were circular, brass discs, which indicated 'cadets', not 'commissioned' officers yet, but to be treated as such !!! The best way to handle the situation was to set up a course of 'hip pocket' training for 'land navigation, thorough a minefield' !!! While stressing to the 'cadets', that the mines were simulated, while handing them the map and compass, and directing them to take charge of the platoon, as you 'retired to the rear, emphasizing that, in 'real life', after they were 'commissioned', there could come a time, when the minefields might be real, and their job was to 'lead the way' !!! Usually, was a 'wake up' moment, as they wanted to know what to look for, and you had to explain that they looked at the map and read the map, relying on the 'engineer information' to be 'accurate', as this was a 'friendly' minefield, and the compass would give them the proper headings, and where to change directions, as they would be 'zigzagging' through the minefields, using 'safety lanes', until they cleared the 'friendly minefields', which is when you informed them, that they would be entering 'enemy minefields', once clear of the known 'friendly' mines !!! Most had never thought that far ahead in their training, especially if they were 'entry level' OCS in an ROTC program, where the instructors had not pushed much training outside the classroom !!! "See you in the field" !!!
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SGT Command Sergeant MajorAD
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I am a sergant in army Reserve officer training corps at Fairmont height
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SSgt Christophe Murphy
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I will chalk this up to Army shenanigans. Midshipmen who try this are promptly shot down and put in their place. Nothing over the top or crazy but they aren’t officers yet and need to understand that
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