Posted on Oct 24, 2017
Do cadets actually outrank non-commissioned officers?
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I deal with cadets a lot, and they insist they out "rank" every NCO in the army. My usual response is somewhere around the guides of "uh-huh." Can I get some clarity of this?
Posted 8 y ago
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Answer is no they do not. However they are working on a commission and next time you see them they probably will. I would take good care of them and it belittle them in any way, any place, or any time. Just help train them well.
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We had cadets assisting the Training Instructors during the old 6 week BMT in June and July. Cadet‘s D and R marched us to the confidence course. When the Cadets released us to run to the first obstacle they didn’t realize the we would run directly through a flight of cadets marching by being led by a Major. Cadet R was the senior cadet and was prior-enlisted. When he realized what happened he ran to the Major and locked to attention! I don’t know what was said. I just heard the major say "FIX IT!!!!!"
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Technically Yes, practically, No. Cadets have no official authority for anything as regards regular forces. However there are instances, and not uncommon, where they are given authority. An example might be when a senior cadet is in training with a unit that is desperately short of officers. For the few weeks they are there they might be given the responsibility of a platoon leader and with that comes the necessary informal authority. As an aside, this site seems to often be populated by guard house lawyers who worry about minor matters and want authoritative and regulatory answers. My advice is to get professional and expect others to do the same. Counsel them to do so. If that doesn't work hope they get out as soon as possible. Who needs them?
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I recall back in my enlisted days, there was once a cadet showed up in our unit doing some kind training with us and demands salute from the enlisted lol
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Yes, just like JOs. Technically they out ranked me, but when I was Electronics LPO both the JOs and myself were instructed by our Commanding Officer that they were there to learn and to help if needed, but that it was my department and my equipment, and they were not to interfere with the day to day operations. I will say that most were very good and we had great working relationships. There was this one however ... but that's a tale for another day. I heard through back channels that he ended up being a six and out, never getting beyond LTJG.
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No. Cadets do not outrank NCO’s.
Period. Full stop.
“Cadet” is a training rank, not an operational rank.
Meaning that in training, a cadet MAY have temporary authority over an NCO, based on duty position.
Example: Does an E6 Ranger School Instructor “outrank” a 2LT Ranger School student? No, clearly not. Does that E6 RI have temporary training authority over that O1 while in Ranger School? Yes.
Likewise, a Cadet may be an “acting Platoon Leader” and have training authority over the NCO’s in that platoon, and those cadets will be addressed as Sir or Ma’am based on the courtesies of the service, but “Cadet”, “Candidate” etc. is not a rank, and a Cadet has no command authority under AR 100-1 or the UCMJ.
Period. Full stop.
“Cadet” is a training rank, not an operational rank.
Meaning that in training, a cadet MAY have temporary authority over an NCO, based on duty position.
Example: Does an E6 Ranger School Instructor “outrank” a 2LT Ranger School student? No, clearly not. Does that E6 RI have temporary training authority over that O1 while in Ranger School? Yes.
Likewise, a Cadet may be an “acting Platoon Leader” and have training authority over the NCO’s in that platoon, and those cadets will be addressed as Sir or Ma’am based on the courtesies of the service, but “Cadet”, “Candidate” etc. is not a rank, and a Cadet has no command authority under AR 100-1 or the UCMJ.
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If you have a sharp LT or CO, I usually directed them to see either one. If that didn't work, I directed them to the BC/CSM.....because as First Shrirt I ran the Company and i made the CO job easy.
If a cadet entered my company it was First for Wisdom, Knowledge and Understanding of what/where leadership started and if his eyes and ears were open this was a Great start of what A GOOD COMMAND TEAM meant. But, if they insisted on letting his bar Flash.....this usually ended with a UGLY Photograph of them working extremely hard.
If a cadet entered my company it was First for Wisdom, Knowledge and Understanding of what/where leadership started and if his eyes and ears were open this was a Great start of what A GOOD COMMAND TEAM meant. But, if they insisted on letting his bar Flash.....this usually ended with a UGLY Photograph of them working extremely hard.
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i dont know the regs, but i dont think so, unless maybe if one was detached to fill in a temp position of leadership ??
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